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It’s Not Crazy To Think Biden Sabotaged Nord Stream To Deepen US Involvement In Ukraine

Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:33 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118977 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:33 am
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It seems to me unlikely that Russia blew them up for the simple reason that doing so removed Moscow’s one non-nuclear strategic lever over western Europe. If the point was to communicate, “Germany will freeze this winter,” why not just shut off the pipeline and let the world know that Russia had done it?

Far more likely, I think, is that U.S. special forces did it on orders from the White House. Tucker Carlson floated this idea on Fox News earlier this week and was roundly mocked for it by the likes of The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake, among others. But the theory cannot be so easily dismissed — not least because, as Carlson and others noted after the sabotage, Biden himself said back in February that if Russia invaded Ukraine, there would no longer be a Nord Stream 2, that “we will bring an end to it.”

To understand why the Biden administration would take such a drastic step, we need to understand something that has been true about the Democrats for nearly two decades, and certainly since the administration of Barack Obama: They tend to view all U.S. foreign policy as primarily an instrument of domestic politics. From their opportunistic opposition to the Iraq war going into the 2006 midterms, to Obama’s policies on Iran and the Arab Spring and especially Russia, Democrats have come to calibrate their responses to events abroad through a domestic partisan lens.

American foreign policy is for them a means to an end that has mostly to do with gaining and retaining power in Washington. Think of the now infamous “Russia Reset,” when in March 2009 then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton presented Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov with a giant red plastic “reset” push-button, a symbol — albeit a botched one, the button was mislabeled with the Russian word for “overcharged” — meant above all to be a repudiation of President George W. Bush’s Russia policy, which called for missile defense installations in eastern Europe that Obama promptly canceled in the name of the “reset.” For Obama, who ran for and won office as an anti-Iraq war candidate, Russia policy was less about U.S. or European security and all about showcasing to his domestic supporters just how unlike his predecessor he was.

The Russo-Ukrainian war is no different. Facing a historic midterm wipeout and the loss of Congress, it isn’t hard to see why, with November barreling down on us, the Biden administration would choose this moment to escalate in a way that draws NATO into the war as a way to rescue the president’s failing administration. Biden, in this scenario, becomes a war president. How much easier and more plausible it would be to then blame the tanking economy and rising prices on Putin and Russia? Easier, too, to denounce Republicans who oppose U.S. involvement as traitors to democracy — something Democrats already do with far less provocation.


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Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53635 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:34 am to
I agree with my anti-war liberal sista.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:36 am to
You pick some interesting hills to die on

Just remember that you got duped by Qanon so maybe you aren't as perceptive as you think
Posted by Gifman
by the mountains
Member since Jan 2021
9493 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:36 am to
I think it's more likely than not.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53104 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:36 am to
I wish brandon would restart the draft and send me to Ukraine so I could get some purpose in my life and possibly a refugeegf instead of spending another 40 years in the wage cage until some democrat shoots me
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:38 am to
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It’s Not Crazy To Think Biden Sabotaged Nord Stream To Deepen US Involvement In Ukraine


It’s just such a dumb proposition.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4320 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:52 am to
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as Carlson and others noted after the sabotage, Biden himself said back in February that if Russia invaded Ukraine, there would no longer be a Nord Stream 2, that “we will bring an end to it.”


What Tucker Carlson did was:

1. Dismissed the most likely answer by simply saying Putin is not stupid and blowing up the pipeline is stupid.
2. Then he primed the pump of confirmation bias by presenting a suspect to his audience that is stupid - Joe Biden.
3. Then he tells the audience Biden said he would do this and plays a clip of Biden saying he would bring the pipeline to an end.
4. He then summarizes the clip he just played by misquoting Biden as saying “We would bring it to an end. We would blow it up.”
5. And after this misquote he pivots the rest of the segment to accepting as true that the US blew up the pipeline and discusses why it’s terrible Biden did this.

There is no such thing as honest cable news. It is all just cable news. None of it is educational. It is all manipulative and in the case of Tucker and Ukraine just a sad forum for Russian misinformation to reach American audiences.
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
15285 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:53 am to
It’s being proven right now that y’all were wrong on Putin’s intentions of this “special operation”. I think it’s best if we just stop paying attention to yalls sources on this conflict.
Posted by Septiger
Member since Nov 2020
1648 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:56 am to
Oh come on , you maga republican , white supremacist, domestic terrorist, fascist,
threat to our democracy, conspiracy theorist.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16269 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:15 am to
It requires connecting dots that don't exist to wholeheartedly believe Russia destroyed their own shite.

False flags only work if you have the ability to control narratives on a massive scale. Russia doesn't have that ability, they only seem to have the ability to control narratives in their own country. It's nonsensical to believe Russia destroyed their own shite just to convince their citizens to get on board the war bandwagon. I mean, they control the narratives in Russia, they can do and say just about anything to incite their population, they don't need to sacrifice their own pipelines.

The idea that Russia destroyed it as a big frick you to Germany makes even less sense to me. It takes away Russia's leverage. It removes the potential of German citizens demanding their government work with Russia, to get the gas turned back on.


I understand that propaganda is a necessary annoyance. I just wish our government would be more convincing and put more effort into it. They used to be convincing. But now, they just seem to only be catering to the people who are their equivalent of the third Reich fanatics of yesteryear. The third Reich fanatics would believe everything the third Reich said, didn't have to make sense. As long as the third Reich said it and it appeared in their media, the fanatics would eat that shite up.

I'm just saying, it's not that I don't want to believe, it's just I can't in good faith believe something that sounds like it was made up in the last minute. Hell, say it was a seaquake or something. Then get a few 'experts' to come on tv and confirm it. I'd never know if it was true or not.
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:30 am to
And one day "for no reason at all" billions will die in nuclear fire.

Posted by CommieHater
Member since Oct 2021
1005 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:45 am to
"There will be no longer a Nordstream 2"

He literally said it


Dumbocrate chess
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2520 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:49 am to
we have literal CIA shills in this thread. how embarrassing.

pipeline sabotage was ordered by dementia Joe himself and you got neocon cucks in here running defense for state sponsored terrorism. yes the current US administration is run by a bunch of unhinged thugs and morons.
Posted by MilwaukeeKosherDills
Member since Aug 2021
375 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:17 am to
Based on the contracts with Western Europe, the party with the most to gain from a disruption of service is Russia.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9601 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:24 am to
It is looney tunes crazy and anti American like Tucker the stupid phucker
Posted by Audustxx
Member since Jul 2022
1102 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:31 am to
You really think Biden plans anything? You really think whoever is running our country cares what our president thinks? He (Biden) does what he is told to do and says what he is told to say. Just my opinion
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
6074 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:13 am to
I love that for some:

Thinking that we destroyed infrastructure of an oil exporting nation at a time in which we are actively and publicly supporting their enemy on the battle field constitutes a conspiracy theory and demands evidence to be a credible hypothesis...

But thinking that same oil exporting nation destroyed their own infrastructure is the only logical conclusion and needs no evidence.

Yeah. Maybe you just aren't all that intelligent.

This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 3:11 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57429 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:46 am to
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It’s Not Crazy To Think Biden Sabotaged Nord Stream To Deepen US Involvement In Ukraine


Especially when we know Ukraine funding is the spigot for DC money laundering
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