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re: Alex Baldwin likely to face charges in shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:09 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:09 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
It’s a pretty specific circumstance here.
quote:LINK
Man faces prison in accidental shooting death of daughter, 9
quote:LINK
Man brought gun to 2014 shooting, faces jail
I can keep going if you want.
quote:LINK
Pensacola man faces prison time for accidental deadly shooting
And I’m not saying he needs jail time, but he should be charged with a crime like anyone else would be.
Even that FBI agent who lost his gun while dancing, shooting someone, was charged with assault.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:15 pm to WPBTiger
"likely"
"One of the possible defendants..."
I'll believe it when I see it.
"One of the possible defendants..."
I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:24 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
all of those examples are of real guns in real life ....
not a fake gun on a make believe movie set using a prop as part of a scene.
not a fake gun on a make believe movie set using a prop as part of a scene.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:34 pm to CocomoLSU
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Unless there is some weird shite going down on his phone where he's like "I can't wait to shoot this chick tomorrow on set and kill her," I have no idea how murder is even remotely in play.
That would be first-degree murder.
There are obviously different classes of murder.
This case is negligent murder where Baldwin's negligence led to someone dying.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:34 pm to JW
and again ... it's not the actor's responsibility to check the gun. It's the first AD and the armorer.
And didn't the actual director instruct him to point the gun toward the camera?
This is the bi-product of a young kid serving as an armorer (who are mostly ex-military / law enforcement grown ups) ... she had little to no experience and was a pawn in trying to save money.
It's a terrible tragedy and will heighten awareness on future productions, which in the end is a good thing.
And didn't the actual director instruct him to point the gun toward the camera?
This is the bi-product of a young kid serving as an armorer (who are mostly ex-military / law enforcement grown ups) ... she had little to no experience and was a pawn in trying to save money.
It's a terrible tragedy and will heighten awareness on future productions, which in the end is a good thing.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:37 pm to JW
quote:That was a real gun, not fake. Baldwin’s company made the decision to use real weapons.
not a fake gun
He didn’t check the gun and pulled the trigger.
Stop giving this guy special privilege because you want to worship celebrities.
quote:And he is the producer who hired her.
This is the bi-product of a young kid serving as an armorer (who are mostly ex-military / law enforcement grown ups) ... she had little to no experience and was a pawn in trying to save money.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:37 pm to caro81
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im curious what legal requirement California has for said handling of onset firearms. if it is solely the responsibility of the armorer and their department then they wouldnt have any grounds to charge Baldwin.
Well, California doesn't have jurisdiction in New Mexico where this happened so...
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:39 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
e do not send people to prison for being an a-hole. I hope not, anyway. Otherwise, I am in real trouble.
I think you confused a-hole for functioning retard.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:40 pm to JW
quote:
not a fake gun on a make believe movie set using a prop as part of a scene.
The gun wasn't fake, though.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:42 pm to JW
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and again ... it's not the actor's responsibility to check the gun.
bullshite!
Every gun safety class tells you to check the gun no matter who hands it to you. Once it is in your possession it is your responsibility.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:46 pm to stout
It was a replica with dummy rounds and apparently a lead bullet.
For a rehearsal it should have been a rubber dummy.
After reading up a bit .. it seems there is an email trail between production and the armorer. They were asking her to do two jobs. Baldwin and the other producers will pay dearly for this low cost approach.
For a rehearsal it should have been a rubber dummy.
After reading up a bit .. it seems there is an email trail between production and the armorer. They were asking her to do two jobs. Baldwin and the other producers will pay dearly for this low cost approach.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:50 pm to JW
quote:No, it was a real handgun that was used to shoot earlier.
It was a replica with dummy rounds and apparently a lead bullet.
And, you clearly know nothing about firearms.
I can buy and shoot lead ammo if I want.
That isn’t abnormal.
quote:He should have checked the firearm before he pointed it at another human.
For a rehearsal it should have been a rubber dummy.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 5:55 pm to JW
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It was a replica
A replica is still a real gun. It's just what it says it is...a replica of a gun not produced anymore. It still functions.
You keep saying it was a fake gun and it wasn't
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:04 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:He unknowingly pointed a loaded weapon. Big difference. He deliberately pointed what he thought was a prop weapon.
I said he deliberately pointed a loaded weapon at her and pulled the trigger.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:05 pm to TTownTiger
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Ahh, ok. Thats a huge difference. It isnt anything like the Brandon Lee shooting if thats the case. I assumed Baldwin pulled the trigger while in scene and it fired a bullet that hit someone off camera.
Brandon Lee was also killed with a blank. The event also lead to a lot of regulations, multiple of which had to be broken for Baldwin to shoot someone.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:11 pm to Jcorye1
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Brandon Lee was also killed with a blank
He was actually killed by a squib load
quote:
In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the gun that was used as a prop (a real revolver) was loaded with improperly made dummy rounds, improvised from live cartridges that had the powder charges removed by the special effects crew, so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunition. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges, and at some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired. Although there were no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck—a dangerous condition known as a squib load.
During the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank's propellant and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen
His was a 1 in a-million accident. A lot different than pointing a gun at someone during rehearsal and pulling the trigger.
The fact that Baldwin didn't double-check a gun handed to him makes him more liable than the armorer IMO. You ALWAYS double-check the gun if you are the one handling it. Again, that is one of the first lessons in any gun safety class.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:15 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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He unknowingly pointed a loaded weapon. Big difference. He deliberately pointed what he thought was a prop weapon.
No, he knew it was loaded. You also treat any weapon you're handling like it's loaded. It also wasn't a prop gun, as someone else in here has said repeatedly. It was a replica, as in, a reproduction, but a real, working handgun. This functioning handgun will fire when the trigger is pulled. Which it did, when he pulled the trigger, after aiming the gun at Halyna. His negligence directly caused her death, and he should be legally held accountable.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:27 pm to JW
certainly not hero worship on my end. I work with bigger (and nicer) actors/directors regularly.
to be clear:
- it is NOT the Actor's responsibility to physically clear a weapon. That is a liability issue in its own right ... this is done in front of the actor and 1st AD by a trained, licensed armorer when using real guns.
- a dummy prop should have been used during rehearsal
- the producers in this case will get the blame including Baldwin for lack of production control and questionable money saving tactics.
- all on set safety rules are generated by union and studio guidelines regardless of what state you are working in. Criminal laws of course relative to where you are filming.
to be clear:
- it is NOT the Actor's responsibility to physically clear a weapon. That is a liability issue in its own right ... this is done in front of the actor and 1st AD by a trained, licensed armorer when using real guns.
- a dummy prop should have been used during rehearsal
- the producers in this case will get the blame including Baldwin for lack of production control and questionable money saving tactics.
- all on set safety rules are generated by union and studio guidelines regardless of what state you are working in. Criminal laws of course relative to where you are filming.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:29 pm to Bonkers119
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But Cops murder people everyday and get put on Paid Leave. What a joke.
And you wonder why everyone except liberals hates liberals.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 7:17 pm to JW
quote:
to be clear:
- it is NOT the Actor's responsibility to physically clear a weapon
To be clear, actors don't get to live by a special set of laws.
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