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re: CA to ban big rig diesel truck sales
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:19 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:19 pm to 14&Counting
quote:There are these things called ships you may have heard of.
Who cares if we can't get goods out of the #1 and #2 ports or any produce from the biggest agricultural region in America.
If unloading in one port becomes less cost effective, it’s not that hard to chart a course to a different one
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Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:22 pm to llfshoals
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There are these things called ships you may have heard of.
If unloading in one port becomes less cost effective, it’s not that hard to chart a course to a different one
Like where? Modern container ships can't even fit through the canal? Maybe send them around South America to Houston? That will make it more cost effective.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:24 pm to 14&Counting
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Like where? Modern container ships can't even fit through the canal? Maybe send them around South America to Houston? That will make it more cost effective.
And take an extra week or so to get to you.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:27 pm to pankReb
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And take an extra week or so to get to you.
Right.
These CA ports are important whether are not low level morons want to believe it
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:28 pm to Powerman
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These CA ports are important whether are not low level morons want to believe it
The mindset of "we don't need california" isn't any different than leftist saying "we don't need oil".
You might not like it.....but we need them.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:30 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:As someone who has done a fair bit of international shipping, it is funny.
If you think this is funny, it's not.
Shipping is a very cost effective way to move things. It won’t take a tremendous amount to alter the cost equation to unload in other ports that aren’t being insane.
Container ship traffic will increase quite a bit to offset the time differential. Time to buy some stock in Maersk perhaps.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:30 pm to Quidam65
Fine. Big rig trucks can just stop bringing stuff to California. No problem at all.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:31 pm to Quidam65
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CA to ban big rig diesel truck sales
Breaking news: The world's largest truck dealership will soon be opening in Ehrenberg Arizona!
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:34 pm to 14&Counting
quote:You might want to look at the deep water ports in Mexico, and the expansion they’ve been undergoing.
Like where? Modern container ships can't even fit through the canal? Maybe send them around South America to Houston? That will make it more cost effective.
There are some in Canada as well, not to mention Oregon and Washington (not terribly optimistic those will be less nuts than California though)
And there’s the whole “you can sail west instead of east” bit too.
The California ports are important, but like a lot of things, there’s ways to do it other ways if they aren’t cost effective.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:34 pm to LRB1967
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Fine. Big rig trucks can just stop bringing stuff to California. No problem at all.
jfc.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:38 pm to LRB1967
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Fine. Big rig trucks can just stop bringing stuff to California. No problem at all.
Good thing nothing comes from there I guess
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:41 pm to llfshoals
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You might want to look at the deep water ports in Mexico, and the expansion they’ve been undergoing.
There are some in Canada as well, not to mention Oregon and Washington (not terribly optimistic those will be less nuts than California though)
So you want our critical goods and supply chains to run through a third party country like Mexico or Canada and run across international borders and put our supply chains in more foreign hands?...or to be transited from ports further away with far less capacity and infrastructure to handle the volume? Sail west like through the Suez Canal where ships get stuck and wars break out?
You are a special kind of stupid.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:42 pm to wutangfinancial
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California has a total of 12 ports. Eleven of these are publicly owned, and one—the Port of Benicia—is privately owned. These ports process about 40 percent of all containerized imports and 30 percent of all exports in the United States.
If you think this is funny, it's not.
Biden's gaggle of eco-nuts want to ban fracking in the Permian Basin when 40% of our energy comes from fracking there. Seems the ideologically stupefied have a talent for fricking things up. Ports, energy production, supply chains and making sure the military uses the right pronouns all go hand in hand.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:42 pm to 14&Counting
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Modern container ships can't even fit through the canal?
They can. New locks are completed. Just need more.
The clear height of the Bridge of the Americas is the new constraint.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:47 pm to keks tadpole
From a truck standpoint I’m laughing
At least the safety rules will no longer apply. First, there will be no way to drive 11 hours in a 14 hour period and, second, it’s unlikely they can fully charge in the mandatory 10 hours off before driving again. Getting good from Cali to NY will take weeks
At least the safety rules will no longer apply. First, there will be no way to drive 11 hours in a 14 hour period and, second, it’s unlikely they can fully charge in the mandatory 10 hours off before driving again. Getting good from Cali to NY will take weeks
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:51 pm to dafif
Wow, first passenger vehicles, now commercial transit? No water, no electricity, and an all-out assault on transportation as we know it. And this is the leadership SDVTiger thinks middle American swing voters are going to vote for because "he's handsome" and the media will shill for him.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:53 pm to ob1pimpbobi
Mexico needs to build a GIANT port and a dedicated rail line to Arizona.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:54 pm to Robin Masters
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CARB believes that such freight vehicles should be banned because the diesel emissions that come from such vehicles disproportionately affect low-income and minority communities due to racist zoning policies. “Decades of racist and classist practices, including red-lining and siting decisions, have concentrated heavy-duty vehicle and freight activities in these communities, with concomitant disproportionate pollution burdens,”
These idiots have it backwards. These low income neighborhoods popped up in these commercial/industrial areas because land was cheap. Without that, everything would be so expensive, poor people wouldn't have a place to live.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:57 pm to 14&Counting
quote:I get you’re a moron son and don’t understand how things work. I’ll go slow for you.
So you want our critical goods and supply chains to run through a third party country like Mexico or Canada and run across international borders and put our supply chains in more foreign hands?...or to be transited from ports further away with far less capacity and infrastructure to handle the volume? You are a special kind of stupid.
If your supply chains are disrupted internally by idiocy (see California trucking policy), the shippers WILL do things less stupid to reduce costs. Whether they go through foreign ports or not, they won’t care. To reduce costs the vast majority of Americans won’t care either.
If they have to drop them on the west coast of Mexico, rail them to the east coast then put them on ships plying the gulf trade (which would majorly increase) which be IMO the best way to deal with a significant amount of the traffic. A fair amount is already doing this as well as using the rail routes into Texas.
As for less capacity, yes there’s less currently. Think if the demand isn’t there they won’t build more? They already are. For non-perishable items I can see using those alternatives ramping up considerably.
The California ports will still be able to use rail to send them on from the ports, until California gets stupid about that too.
Any bets they won’t?
Posted on 9/21/22 at 3:58 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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These idiots have it backwards. These low income neighborhoods popped up in these commercial/industrial areas because land was cheap. Without that, everything would be so expensive, poor people wouldn't have a place to live.
meanwhile....an upper-middle class neighborhood is nearby one of my local ports. Haven't heard any complaints from that area.
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