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If the CiC does not have ultimate authority to declassify, who does?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:21 pm
What unelected government official has the ultimate authority to declassify any government document or information they want?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:27 pm to GumboPot
Some nameless bureaucrat, or maybe it's a committee. Yeah, the Left loves committees.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:33 pm to David_DJS
Only certain CiC's can declassified. Like EVERYTHING else, it must be viewed through a political prism to separate those that can and those that cannot.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:36 pm to GumboPot
There are real people that think just because the media hated Trump and said he was mean that the man wasn’t holding the highest office in the world
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:38 pm to GumboPot
Not Drumpf cause he’s a threat to our democracy by his disruptions to our political norms
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:41 pm to TulaneFan
What I’d like to see is someone take responsibility for their actions. If you’re going to declassify documents then at least run it by someone so a mistake isn’t made. Especially if you are the top of the food chain.
Store the items in the appropriate place and secure them. That’s all I’d like to see.
Use some common sense.
Store the items in the appropriate place and secure them. That’s all I’d like to see.
Use some common sense.
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:45 pm to Bbobalou
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That’s all I’d like to see.
Because the disposition of classified documents is a priority in your life?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:45 pm to GumboPot
It is clearly laid out in the constitution, Nancy Pelosi shall have the full and sole power to classify or declassify materials.
I read that in the NYT.
I read that in the NYT.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:50 pm to David_DJS
Not at all. I’m not just talking about recent matters. When it comes to information that needs to be classified then regardless of who you are treat them as such. If it deals with people and their names realize that and talk to whomever made the document or has knowledge of the situation.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:51 pm to GumboPot
in the background of all of this mess. Some are saying that because Biden took the POTUS daily briefings off of Trump, That Trump's SCIF is not a legal means to handle the documents. It is stupid.
Also saying that Trump declassified the SpyGate & crossfire hurricane documents.
But Biden reclassified them as Top Secret classified and redacted the ever loving frick out of them to Obama black.
This is also stupid and unprecedented so Biden can GFH.
Also saying that Trump declassified the SpyGate & crossfire hurricane documents.
But Biden reclassified them as Top Secret classified and redacted the ever loving frick out of them to Obama black.
This is also stupid and unprecedented so Biden can GFH.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:52 pm to TulaneFan
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There are real people that think just because the media hated Trump and said he was mean that the man wasn’t holding the highest office in the world
Every progstain here thinks like that
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:56 pm to Bbobalou
quote:
When it comes to information that needs to be classified then regardless of who you are treat them as such.
How do you know how Trump treated the stuff he had?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 2:58 pm to Bbobalou
quote:guess we know who’s watching MSNBC and swallowing the narrative whole
What I’d like to see is someone take responsibility for their actions. If you’re going to declassify documents then at least run it by someone so a mistake isn’t made. Especially if you are the top of the food chain.
Store the items in the appropriate place and secure them. That’s all I’d like to see.
Use some common sense.
I guess unelected bureaucrats in your mind outrank a duly elected president.
The balls on the left to try to DQ Trump bc of classified material when Hillary was let off the hook bc no intent. And the situations aren’t even comparable bc Trump was actually POTUS with total control over classification of intel
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:06 pm to Bbobalou
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Not at all.
And that's my point. Every ounce of energy focused on Donald Trump and classified documents is an ounce of energy that cannot be focused on the reality that the Left is doing everything imaginable to crater this country's economy in a way that'll take years to correct. For every one of your thoughts/words about Donald F'n Trump, I really hope you're spending 10,000 on the economy, the open border and the Left's war on the American middle class.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:08 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
I've been pretty clear I think. I don't know if Trump did or didn't do things wrong.
If he didn't know they were taken out of a secured area and not returned like they should have then Just say that and return them.
Even if he did declassify documents I don't think I'd want them just laying about.
Some of you give the impression that you're ok with some sensitive information being unaccounted for or not secured. WTF? I don't care what party you represent lock sensitive information up.
If he didn't know they were taken out of a secured area and not returned like they should have then Just say that and return them.
Even if he did declassify documents I don't think I'd want them just laying about.
Some of you give the impression that you're ok with some sensitive information being unaccounted for or not secured. WTF? I don't care what party you represent lock sensitive information up.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:15 pm to GumboPot
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DEVELOPING: Trump's top national counterintelligence official William "Bill" Evanina also appears to have been taken in by senior FBI intelligence analyst Brian Auten's August 2020 assessment that derogatory information about Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Ukraine was "Russian disinformation."
Check out Evanina's Aug 7, 2020, pre-election threat assessment and scroll down to section "RUSSIA" regarding supposed Kremlin measures to "denigrate former Vice President Biden" and "undermine" his candidacy through Ukrainian sources ...
Statement by NCSC Director William Evanina: Election Threat Update for the American Public
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ODNI News Release No. 29-20 August 7, 2020 Statement by NCSC Director William Evanina: Election Threat Upda...
www.dni.gov
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Aug 22
DEVELOPING: Wray is blaming slow-moving Durham for keeping dirty Russiagate agents on the job ... I'm told Durham has been reviewing OPR interviews of the agents ...
SEN. THOM TILLIS: Can you give me an idea of anyone who's been held accountable who was involved in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation? Has anyone in the bureau been fired or disciplined?
FBI DIRECTOR CHRIS WRAY: There are a number of people who are currently in our Office of Professional Responsibility, which is our disciplinary arm. You may wonder why has that not yielded results yet, and that's because we are working closely with and assisting the Durham investigation, and so that whole process has been sort of slowed down to make sure that doesn't interfere with the Durham investigation.
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BREAKING: Federal campaign records reveal the wife of the the former National Archives chief David Ferriero who privately huddled with Biden's top White House lawyer over the first batch of documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago is a Democrat activist who's given political donations to the BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT campaign, NANCY PELOSI FOR CONGRESS campaign and the STOP REPUBLICANS PAC
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Aug 24
NEW POLL: In fact, 47 percent said that knowing before the election that the Hunter Biden laptop contents were real and not “disinformation” would have changed their voting decision—including more than two-thirds (71 percent) of Democrats.
Shock Poll: 8 in 10 Think Biden Laptop Cover-Up Changed Election
Most following the story want the AG to appoint a Special Counsel to investigate the laptop-related issues.
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Aug 25
BREAKING: SEC won't say if Clinton campaign CFO, Strzok's wife are recused from its Truth Social probe
Report said Chair Gary Gensler is leading the investigation, a possible conflict of interest given his role in 2016 campaign for President Trump's rival.
justthenews.com
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NEW: The FBI understood conducting a raid of a former president's home was not only politically radioactive but also legally dicey, because according to the just-unsealed affidavit, it assembled a separate team of agents to be on alert for "attorney-client privileged information" found in Trump's office and to segregate it for "review." It is not clear what they did with communications they found between Trump and his attorneys, which would cover a variety of issues, including his business empire, and be voluminous
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Aug 22
DEVELOPING: Trump's top national counterintelligence official William "Bill" Evanina also appears to have been taken in by senior FBI intelligence analyst Brian Auten's August 2020 assessment that derogatory information about Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Ukraine was "Russian disinformation."
Check out Evanina's Aug 7, 2020, pre-election threat assessment and scroll down to section "RUSSIA" regarding supposed Kremlin measures to "denigrate former Vice President Biden" and "undermine" his candidacy through Ukrainian sources ...
Statement by NCSC Director William Evanina: Election Threat Update for the American Public
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ODNI News Release No. 29-20 August 7, 2020 Statement by NCSC Director William Evanina: Election Threat Upda...
www.dni.gov
paulsperry
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Aug 22
DEVELOPING: Wray is blaming slow-moving Durham for keeping dirty Russiagate agents on the job ... I'm told Durham has been reviewing OPR interviews of the agents ...
SEN. THOM TILLIS: Can you give me an idea of anyone who's been held accountable who was involved in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation? Has anyone in the bureau been fired or disciplined?
FBI DIRECTOR CHRIS WRAY: There are a number of people who are currently in our Office of Professional Responsibility, which is our disciplinary arm. You may wonder why has that not yielded results yet, and that's because we are working closely with and assisting the Durham investigation, and so that whole process has been sort of slowed down to make sure that doesn't interfere with the Durham investigation.
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Aug 23
BREAKING: Federal campaign records reveal the wife of the the former National Archives chief David Ferriero who privately huddled with Biden's top White House lawyer over the first batch of documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago is a Democrat activist who's given political donations to the BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT campaign, NANCY PELOSI FOR CONGRESS campaign and the STOP REPUBLICANS PAC
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Aug 24
NEW POLL: In fact, 47 percent said that knowing before the election that the Hunter Biden laptop contents were real and not “disinformation” would have changed their voting decision—including more than two-thirds (71 percent) of Democrats.
Shock Poll: 8 in 10 Think Biden Laptop Cover-Up Changed Election
Most following the story want the AG to appoint a Special Counsel to investigate the laptop-related issues.
paulsperry
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Aug 25
BREAKING: SEC won't say if Clinton campaign CFO, Strzok's wife are recused from its Truth Social probe
Report said Chair Gary Gensler is leading the investigation, a possible conflict of interest given his role in 2016 campaign for President Trump's rival.
justthenews.com
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Aug 26
NEW: The FBI understood conducting a raid of a former president's home was not only politically radioactive but also legally dicey, because according to the just-unsealed affidavit, it assembled a separate team of agents to be on alert for "attorney-client privileged information" found in Trump's office and to segregate it for "review." It is not clear what they did with communications they found between Trump and his attorneys, which would cover a variety of issues, including his business empire, and be voluminous
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:15 pm to cajunangelle
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MYSTERY: Remains unclear where federal grand jury is impaneled -- D.C. District or Southern District of Florida? Also confusion over where scene of alleged "crime" is -- did alleged "crime" occur in the White House, where documents were removed, or Mar-a-Lago, where docs were stored? If the former, Biden prosecutors could easily get a DC grand jury to indict Trump, but less likely in S. Florida.
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DEVELOPING: Joe Biden appears to have set Trump up to exposure to laws against mishandling classified information by denying him continued intelligence briefings as is customary for ex-presidents, a ban that effectively de-activated Trump's presidential SCIF at Mar-a-Lago, which is why the FBI affiant for the search warrant expressly & repeatedly stated in his unsealed affidavit that--"currently"--there's no "authorized" storage spaces at Trump's estate, which in turn made his possession of such info allegedly "unauthorized" --"at least since the end of FPOTUS's presidential administration on Jan. 20, 2021." IOW, if Trump had continued to receive intel briefings at Mar-a-Lago as he had as president (& as FPOTUS Obama & Clinton get), the FBI may have no criminal case
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The Biden DOJ maintains it had to redact two-thirds of the paragraphs in the signed portion of the affidavit (sans exhibit and attachments) to avoid "harm" to “investigative sources and methods." But how much of blacking out the document was really to avoid harming sources and methods and how much was to avoid harming the reputations of the FBI, DOJ, and the magistrate judge who approved the unprecedented and outrageously heavy-handed raid on a former president’s home?
#UnredactTheAffidavit
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BREAKING: In a June 8 letter, DOJ requested documents Trump had stored in a room at Mar-a-Lago "be preserved in that room until further notice" -- even though it said the room was not a "secure location."
DOJ did not ask that Trump transport the documents to NARA or to the FBI. It asked only that he KEEP them there in that insecure room, which would indicate DOJ was not concerned at that time the documents were at risk of being compromised.
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Why would DOJ, in a June 8 letter, direct Trump's lawyer to keep the disputed records at Mar-a-Lago "preserved in that room until further notice" instead of turning them over to the National Archives? If the goal truly was to recover the records for the Archives, and not to set Trump up or entrap him in a criminal sting operation, why would DOJ not just remand the additional boxes to the custody of NARA?
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DID BIDEN DOJ/FBI SET A TRAP FOR TRUMP?
1. In a June 8 letter, DOJ ordered Trump to keep his records indefinitely "preserved in that room" at Mar-a-Lago, even though it claimed "Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified information," which might make those records potentially unsafe
2. Then on Aug 5, the FBI told the magistrate judge, as part of its evidence of alleged criminal activity by Trump, that "There is probable cause to believe that documents containing classified NDI and presidential records remain at the premises"--even though just 2 months earlier DOJ had told Trump to keep such records "preserved in that room." (Of course they remained there!)
Why did the FBI try to criminalize what DOJ ordered Trump to do?
paulsperry
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DEVELOPING: The unsealed FBI affidavit contains several oddities:
1. No where does it flat-out say "classified information" was found in Trump's 15 boxes. On page 2, it refers only to docs "with classification markings," which raises the specter they were no longer classified
2. It states the docs "appear" to contain National Defense Information. But agents "triaged" the boxes; they would know if they contain NDI or not
3. The affiant claimed "there is probable cause to believe evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises," yet there's no "obstruction" header or section spelling out why he believes this
4. He said he doesn't believe "any spaces" w/in Mar-a-Lago are "currently" authorized for storage of classified info. So they were, but not "currently"?
LINK
@paulsperry
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MYSTERY: Remains unclear where federal grand jury is impaneled -- D.C. District or Southern District of Florida? Also confusion over where scene of alleged "crime" is -- did alleged "crime" occur in the White House, where documents were removed, or Mar-a-Lago, where docs were stored? If the former, Biden prosecutors could easily get a DC grand jury to indict Trump, but less likely in S. Florida.
paulsperry
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Aug 26
DEVELOPING: Joe Biden appears to have set Trump up to exposure to laws against mishandling classified information by denying him continued intelligence briefings as is customary for ex-presidents, a ban that effectively de-activated Trump's presidential SCIF at Mar-a-Lago, which is why the FBI affiant for the search warrant expressly & repeatedly stated in his unsealed affidavit that--"currently"--there's no "authorized" storage spaces at Trump's estate, which in turn made his possession of such info allegedly "unauthorized" --"at least since the end of FPOTUS's presidential administration on Jan. 20, 2021." IOW, if Trump had continued to receive intel briefings at Mar-a-Lago as he had as president (& as FPOTUS Obama & Clinton get), the FBI may have no criminal case
paulsperry
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20h
The Biden DOJ maintains it had to redact two-thirds of the paragraphs in the signed portion of the affidavit (sans exhibit and attachments) to avoid "harm" to “investigative sources and methods." But how much of blacking out the document was really to avoid harming sources and methods and how much was to avoid harming the reputations of the FBI, DOJ, and the magistrate judge who approved the unprecedented and outrageously heavy-handed raid on a former president’s home?
#UnredactTheAffidavit
paulsperry
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Aug 26
BREAKING: In a June 8 letter, DOJ requested documents Trump had stored in a room at Mar-a-Lago "be preserved in that room until further notice" -- even though it said the room was not a "secure location."
DOJ did not ask that Trump transport the documents to NARA or to the FBI. It asked only that he KEEP them there in that insecure room, which would indicate DOJ was not concerned at that time the documents were at risk of being compromised.
paulsperry
@paulsperry
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22h
Why would DOJ, in a June 8 letter, direct Trump's lawyer to keep the disputed records at Mar-a-Lago "preserved in that room until further notice" instead of turning them over to the National Archives? If the goal truly was to recover the records for the Archives, and not to set Trump up or entrap him in a criminal sting operation, why would DOJ not just remand the additional boxes to the custody of NARA?
paulsperry
@paulsperry
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23h
DID BIDEN DOJ/FBI SET A TRAP FOR TRUMP?
1. In a June 8 letter, DOJ ordered Trump to keep his records indefinitely "preserved in that room" at Mar-a-Lago, even though it claimed "Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified information," which might make those records potentially unsafe
2. Then on Aug 5, the FBI told the magistrate judge, as part of its evidence of alleged criminal activity by Trump, that "There is probable cause to believe that documents containing classified NDI and presidential records remain at the premises"--even though just 2 months earlier DOJ had told Trump to keep such records "preserved in that room." (Of course they remained there!)
Why did the FBI try to criminalize what DOJ ordered Trump to do?
paulsperry
@paulsperry
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23h
DEVELOPING: The unsealed FBI affidavit contains several oddities:
1. No where does it flat-out say "classified information" was found in Trump's 15 boxes. On page 2, it refers only to docs "with classification markings," which raises the specter they were no longer classified
2. It states the docs "appear" to contain National Defense Information. But agents "triaged" the boxes; they would know if they contain NDI or not
3. The affiant claimed "there is probable cause to believe evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises," yet there's no "obstruction" header or section spelling out why he believes this
4. He said he doesn't believe "any spaces" w/in Mar-a-Lago are "currently" authorized for storage of classified info. So they were, but not "currently"?
LINK
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:16 pm to jamboybarry
Why would you defend the corrupt political norm? Dems used to hate the establishment...now they cheer them on and think everything they say is true without an ounce of research verifying what they hear. I'm reminded of clapping seals.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:20 pm to Bbobalou
quote:and the left didn’t care when it was Hillary. Who ISNT a former president and lacks the robust defense an ex prez has— see bill Clinton’s sock drawer recordings.
Some of you give the impression that you're ok with some sensitive information being unaccounted for or not secured.
It’s pretty simple: once Hillary and bill have been prosecuted for their “crimes” with classified information, then we can discuss Trump’s situation. Until then, this is obvious political warfare by our esteemed DC establishment shitheads
I’m just shocked that the left supports a 2 tier justice system— one for the politically connected, and one for the plebes who challenge their power
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