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Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:07 pm to ATLTiger
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If only he hadn't fumbled on that play vs Bama in 2013...
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:09 pm to sicboy
Not exactly a secret. Miles refused to change with the game.
Amazing that he was able to accomplish what he did with those “run it out” offenses.
Amazing that he was able to accomplish what he did with those “run it out” offenses.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:10 pm to sicboy
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quote: Jarrett Lee @jarrett_lee_12 We were still doing this in 2011
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:20 pm to atltiger6487
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It was the most abominable coaching job I've ever witnessed.
him being fired right then and there woulda saved us lots of heartburn and a slow torture until 2016. at least let his contract expire and move on. F U ALLEVA YOU POS
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:27 pm to 0x15E
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Miles refused to change with the game.
He would have won multiple titles at LSU had he not been such a stubborn buffoon in terms of offensive strategy.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:29 pm to Fat Bastard
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F U ALLEVA YOU POS
He thought he could strong arm Miles into changing the offense but Miles saw Alleva's cameltoe print.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:36 pm to 1999
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Have a Jeremy hill in the backfield and you run the fullback lol
A FB that was a converted DT no less
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:41 pm to The Egg
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miles really couldn't evolve could he
It is not that he couldn't. It's that he stubbornly didn't want to. That cost LSU probably a national championship or two, and ultimately, Miles his job.
2008 changed everything for Miles. His offenses from 2005-2007 weren't "ultra-conservative" for that era. Same for 2008. However, with (ironically in response to this post) Lee throwing several pick 6's in 2008 that helped lead LSU to its worst season in 8 years or so, he decided to COMPLETELY change his offensive approach going forward.
From 2009 on Miles' in-game approach was to play great defense, play good special teams, try to dominate the run game, and pass only when necessary or try to hit surprise deep shots with as low-risk pass plays as were reasonably possible. That's why the middle of the field became a complete no-mans land for the passing game. He was not going to allow for the risk of interceptions at all costs. Even if that approach meant LSU was equally as apt to play a tight game late into the 4th quarter with #1 Alabama as they were with a 3 win Ole Miss team. He didn't care. He was never going to lose the way they lost in 2008 again. The only time he deviated from that approach somewhat was in 2013. And the only reason he did was because the defense was so weak the offense had no choice but to "throw caution to the wind." LSU couldn't just grind out low scoring game.
The frustrating part is that 2013 and moments in subsequent seasons showed LSU COULD potentially have a potent offense...if only their coach allowed for it. Unfortunately, for nearly a decade Les was content with playing anyone, regardless of the quality of the opponent, on a razors edge with wild 4th quarter finishes, thinking he would win most of them, rather than come out of his shell offensively.
So it is ironic that Jarrett Lee is the one to make the post because (fairly or unfairly) it was his play that led to that approach.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:48 pm to Alt26
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The frustrating part is that 2013 and moments in subsequent seasons showed LSU COULD potentially have a potent offense...
Les really reeled in the pass attempts per game in 2013 after that shootout loss in Athens when that honestly was the strength of that team.
The 2012 loss to Bama at home was his fault because he failed to lean on Mett, Beckham & Landry on 3rd down of the final possession. Get a first down & game is over. Bama had not stopped those 3 the entire second half. Any good coach rolls with the hot hand(s) there but not Miles though.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:54 pm to sicboy
quote:to be fair, lsu/les did it really well
We were still doing this in 2011
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:56 pm to Alt26
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Unfortunately, for nearly a decade Les was content with playing anyone, regardless of the quality of the opponent, on a razors edge with wild 4th quarter finishes, thinking he would win most of them, rather than come out of his shell offensively.
Les would go out & buy an exotic sports car every year, (WRs in recruiting classes) only to take the car out on country back roads to drive 30 mph.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:11 pm to sicboy
Because he liked throwing to the other team. the coach played to the strengths of the team and that was our rbs, not our qbs and we beat every team we played that year.
So id say it was a good call.
So id say it was a good call.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:14 pm to atltiger6487
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ANYTHING
True dat
TBob at QB
Honey Badger at QB
No QB
Anything
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:44 pm to Turf Taint
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8min left in 3rd qtr Jan 9, 2012
Put him in, coach.
Would he have changed outcome? No
Would I have quit beating my head against wall? Yes
I had stopped watching.
Told wife and kids if Jefferson came out for the offense in the second half, I was out.
Saved me a lot of heartache
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:04 pm to Bring Da Wood
Miles quit using the middle of the field after the pick 6's
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:05 pm to Turf Taint
quote:couldn't have been worse than what the offense did with JJ at QB.
rue dat
TBob at QB
Honey Badger at QB
No QB
Anything
A good coach realizes when a change need to be made, even if it's high risk. Saban pulled his starting QB (who was something like 27-2 as a starter) at halftime of the NC game and replaced him with a true freshman. Of course, Bama came back and won the NC.
But Les did nothing as he drove the bus straight off the cliff.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:09 pm to atltiger6487
He was counting on Mathieu to make a game changing play, that never came. The game was 15-0 until the very end. Mathieu did it in the SEC Champ game. Offense was horrendous the 1st half.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:23 pm to sicboy
In Lee’s defense he did get thrown to the wolves his freshman year when he wasn’t ready. He was an average SEC quarterback but Miles’ offense didn’t do him any favors.
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