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Observations on GOT final season and ending (having watched it this weekend).

Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:36 am
Posted by LuckySo-n-So
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:36 am
1. I’m ok with Arya killing the Night King
2. Jaime had to die with Cersei.
3. The Unsullied should have killed Jon.
4. The Hound and The Mountain had to die fighting each other.
5. Jon had to kill Dany.
6. Jon was never going to willingly sit in the Iron Throne.
7. No opinion one way or the other on Bran The Broken as King. About as exciting as Edmure Tully.
8. Drogon took Dany to Asshai where she was brought back to life by a Red Priestess.


Would love to see a short “Odd Couple-like” series featuring the “Master of Grammar”(Ser Davos) and the “Lord of Lofty Titles”(Ser Bronn).
Posted by Lawyered
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:40 am to
Funny you started this thread, I was browsing the HBO schedule yesterday and saw it was on and recorded the final season

Debating on watching it again or not
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:41 am to
Are you trying to start a rumble?


Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37613 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:47 am to
Why would you put yourself through that shite?

As someone who would rewatch the entire season (sometimes twice) before the new season would come out, I haven’t watched a second of it since the finale

It’s truly incredible how a cultural phenomenon can go from 100 to 0 just like that
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:50 am to
God there’s so much wrong in this
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
20728 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:57 am to
Only watched the first episode but I’ve been debating watching the whole series but people say the last season ruins the show
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 10:23 am to
The worst season in tv history?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 10:53 am to
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1. I’m ok with Arya killing the Night King


Ummmm, absolutely not. There are only four candidates that should have killed the Night King and in specific order:

1) Jon
2) Dany
3) Bran
4) Jaime

That’s it. Arya doesn’t meet any of the requirements of Azor Ahai/the Prince that was Promised, and if Jaime kills him that would make him Aerys’ biological son.

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2. Jaime had to die with Cersei.


No, because then Cersei gets her way in the end. Jaime should have killed Cersei, and I’m pretty damn confident he will in the books if it is ever released. Cersei was on borrowed time on the show since I’m sure the Burning of King’s Landing it will be Faegon and Arianne that are the victims of it, and they leave those two characters out of the show which I think was a major frick up by the show runners.

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3. The Unsullied should have killed Jon.


Ummmm, I mean logically they would have, but no. I don’t have a problem with where Jon, Sansa, and Arya end up with Jon riding north of the Wall, but I have a problem with how they got there.

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4. The Hound and The Mountain had to die fighting each other.


Yeah, but I would have preferred for the Hound to kill the Mountain with a flaming sword.

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5. Jon had to kill Dany.


Agreed.

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6. Jon was never going to willingly sit in the Iron Throne.


That’s besides the point. That’s what makes him a good king is he wants none of that.

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7. No opinion one way or the other on Bran The Broken as King. About as exciting as Edmure Tully.


Unfortunately, I can see GRRM making Bran king in the end. Him blowing himself as storytellers being the most important members of society seems like something this narcissist may write. I’m going to tell you though, he better have something better than this in the books (naively assuming they’ll ever be released). “Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?” Everyone, including Edmure Tully. Personally I just wish they would have gone back to the Seven Kingdoms in the end and there be no overall king/queen.

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8. Drogon took Dany to Asshai where she was brought back to life by a Red Priestess.


No

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Would love to see a short “Odd Couple-like” series featuring the “Master of Grammar”(Ser Davos) and the “Lord of Lofty Titles”(Ser Bronn).


Honestly Bronn becoming the Lord of Highgarden and the Master of Coin might be the dumbest fricking thing on the show. Bronn is illiterate for starters, and just keeps getting dumber from there.
This post was edited on 8/14/22 at 10:54 am
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31974 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 10:56 am to
Here is my somewhat unpopular opinion…

If they had flipped the order of events in the final season it wouldn’t have been so bad.

- first half of the final season is Dany/Jon uniting and going to kings Landing to try and get Cersei on their side

- Dany goes crazy and burns the city, events unfold as they did with Jamie dying, hound dying etc…

- Jon rejects the crown and Bran is named king (but not with that stupid round table scene).

- Then they all deal with the Night King with events unfolding the same way, even Arya killing him.


I think people would’ve been way happier that way. Yes they may have rolled their eyes at some stuff still but the anticipation of the big showdown with the Night King and the unknown of whether anyone would survive would have kept people more engaged.

They wouldn’t have been able to have the dragon fight unless Drogon showed up on his own or something but so what.

Think about it the final episode would have been that epic battle and the show would’ve gone out on a much better note.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 11:06 am to
The problem with the final season(and several leading up to it) is not that those specific events took place, it’s how the writers contorted or outright broke the personalities of the characters through internally illogical or non established motives, often regressing their growth entiriely(like in the case of Jaimie, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Cersei, and Viserys, who all were just conveniently made stupid and reactionary in the face of all the show set up about them prior to serve the larger plot destinations) story elements that betrayed their set up and were executed poorly, and contrived all manner of plot points to get us to the story endings they wanted.

And frankly, hearing recent interviews with GRRM about what was going on behind the scenes, makes it clear D&D’s ego’s were out of control and they were also simply not interested in continuing a show that could have ran several more seasons to properly set everything up and execute everything more satisfyingly, but they were also selfish and unwilling to let another showrunner step in to do it, so they pushed for the nonsense we got.

A good reminder also of how much the cast believed in this season
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This post was edited on 8/14/22 at 11:10 am
Posted by VeniVidiVici
Gaul
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 11:32 am to
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7. No opinion one way or the other on Bran The Broken as King.


JFC, man
Posted by DeafVallyBatnR
Member since Sep 2004
16871 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 12:42 pm to
I was late to the game on GOT. But when I got there I loved it. But know what I know about the final season and the actors telling the Producers this would be the last season. They needed to end it. And the final half of the last season looked like they through it all together. Once the killed off the M I nester from the cold. I can not remember the name of the creature. It was very disappointing the way a everyone died.
Posted by lsuguy84
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 7:08 pm to
It went off the rails long before the final season
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

1. I’m ok with Arya killing the Night King
2. Jaime had to die with Cersei.
3. The Unsullied should have killed Jon.
4. The Hound and The Mountain had to die fighting each other.
5. Jon had to kill Dany.
6. Jon was never going to willingly sit in the Iron Throne.
7. No opinion one way or the other on Bran The Broken as King. About as exciting as Edmure Tully.
8. Drogon took Dany to Asshai where she was brought back to life by a Red Priestess.

I pretty much agree with the OP...
This is an outline for what happens. The execution of making it happen is where the show fails; but each of those points as a bullet, it makes perfect sense.

Arya killing the Night King, she was groomed to become the perfect killer. I might want to SEE Jon kill him (the obvious choice), but if my own life depended on sending any one character out to kill anyone, including the Night King- Jaqen H'ghar is my first choice. Arya, his chosen protege, is next.

Points 2 through 6, that is the direction this tale was tragically going to go. 3 (Unsullied killing Jon) is by far the most logical action that didn't occur. They are loyal to the death, but don't avenge Dany... that really doesn't fit them.
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8. Drogon took Dany to Asshai where she was brought back to life by a Red Priestess.

Should be the epilogue to the final book. Would have been the ultimate teaser in an end-credit scene. The resurrection has been shown, once with Jon, shite-ton of times with Beric. We know the Red Priestesses can do it, and we know that's where Drogon went. We know the Red Priestesses showed interest in her before.

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7. No opinion one way or the other on Bran The Broken as King. About as exciting as Edmure Tully.
Could be seen as the biggest whiff/WTF in the show, or in TV.

On a more existential level, you could say the various Gods all wrestled, and there were winners and losers.

The Seven (New Gods) lost. Lost the Sept, lost control of the Seven Kingdoms.

The God of Death won, as Arya returned the Undead to him (from the Night King's control), taking them from one of the Old God's pawns.

The Red God, for all the magic they showed, made an impression but lost (restoring Dany would alter that).

The Old Gods had a mixed result. Lost control of the dead back to Death, but their other pawn (Three Eyed Raven) sits on the throne. Also, the North is now free again.


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