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re: Three People arrested for "Hate Crimes" for passing out White Supremacist pamphlets.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:29 pm to geauxkoo
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:29 pm to geauxkoo
I personally think the idea of a "hate crime" is a crock of shite. No one commits love crimes or like crimes. All crime has some form of hate behind it. I think this is a crock of shite too. I don't see how you can charge anyone for any crime with a handout unless it was trying to incite violence.
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Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:34 pm to Bard
So if I received a newspaper at my house with a headline that read "Black Lives Matter is here and we aren't going anywhere", because I'm white, that would be considered a hate crime?
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:41 pm to geauxkoo
I find all the gay agenda garbage as hateful discrimination towards Christianity. Where can I, and my fellow Christians, get all the people who push it arrested?
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:48 pm to SammyTiger
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Do you think people should be able to intimidate and harass freely?
Depends on the forms of harassment and intimidation. It shouldn't be criminal to be a racist a-hole or ignorant Leftist. At the same time, it shouldn't be criminal to treat racists assholes and ignorant Leftists like racist assholes and ignorant Leftists.
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But there is a difference between that and throwing mein kampf at a synagouge.
This is a threat.
Curious - did you feel the same way about members of the Black Panthers standing outside of a polling station yelling racial slurs at voters?
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:48 pm to geauxkoo
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So if I received a newspaper at my house with a headline that read "Black Lives Matter is here and we aren't going anywhere", because I'm white, that would be considered a hate crime?
I think they're making a delineation between homes and places of worship (ie: where minorities congregate).
Now if you were the only one getting them or only white people were getting them... oh, wait. Hate crime laws don't apply when made towards whites.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:51 pm to Bard
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In that same vein I would expect people posting fliers on behalf of BLM or the Black Panters with the "black power" symbol on it and sticking them up at predominantly white churches be treated the same, but we all know that wouldn't happen.
that pamphlet kind of sounds like they are testing the hypocrisy. Should be an interesting case on its way up to SCOTUS if they take the approach to get justices to prove the difference doesn't lean one way or the other depending on what political side it comes from.
We definitely need to get free speech to run down the middle again.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:53 pm to David_DJS
I agree with you but where do you draw the line?
Posting flyers on synagogues with swastikas and vague threats? Feels like a little more than tall.
I agree Though it’s marginal. But I dont Think prohibiting this action prevents people from freely expressing themselves.
Like I said this is very borderline to begin with and it would depend on what the BP we’re saying. Actual threats not protected. Racial slurs on public property? I’m oils say yes.
I think These guys could have legally handed these out in public. Targeting synagogues and black churches is where the line gets crossed
Posting flyers on synagogues with swastikas and vague threats? Feels like a little more than tall.
I agree Though it’s marginal. But I dont Think prohibiting this action prevents people from freely expressing themselves.
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Curious - did you feel the same way about members of the Black Panthers standing outside of a polling station yelling racial slurs at voters?
Like I said this is very borderline to begin with and it would depend on what the BP we’re saying. Actual threats not protected. Racial slurs on public property? I’m oils say yes.
I think These guys could have legally handed these out in public. Targeting synagogues and black churches is where the line gets crossed
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:54 pm to SammyTiger
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Do you think people should be able to intimidate and harass freely?
This isn’t someone saying “I hate Jews” on a public corner. I firmly Believe people have a right to be Nazis and speak about that publicly. But there is a difference between that and throwing mein kampf at a synagouge.
This is a threat.
Do you think this incident is better, worst, or equal to the BLM harassment during the summer of love?
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:57 pm to KAGTASTIC
I think Some BLM harassment was worse and some wasn’t as bad there was a lot done in the name of BLM.
FWIW I dont think Freedom of speech allows you to scream at people in restaurants.
FWIW I dont think Freedom of speech allows you to scream at people in restaurants.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:00 pm to Jake88
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If you can't discern the difference there is something wrong with you.
If you don't think a depiction of Jesus as Messiah is offensive to Muslims and Jews, there is something wrong with you.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:03 pm to geauxkoo
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Man, I totally disagree. I don't think there is anything aggressive or threatening about what those flyers say. Maybe because they placed them?
What do you think the Aryan National Army cleaning up the streets entails?
Last I checked The recycling symbol was a triangle with arrow not a swastika with a deadhead.
I think There is a debate to be had here, but let’s be genuine about it.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:04 pm to SammyTiger
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FWIW I dont think Freedom of speech allows you to scream at people in restaurants.
I'm not arguing that there is no such thing as harassing or threatening speech, and that it should be the wild wild west. I'm arguing that pasting racist shite on a church door is vandalism, and the whole "hate crime" thing is nonsense.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:05 pm to SammyTiger
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FWIW I dont think Freedom of speech allows you to scream at people in restaurants.
Freedom of speech, in my humble opinion, allows you to have an opinion and express that opinion without fear from law enforcement or reprisal. As long as that expression does not include violence or the threat of violence or condemnation for a differing point of view.
Of course that's an over-simplification, but putting a flyer on a church that says, the Aryan Brotherhood is not going anywhere does not rise to the level of a "Hate Crime".
It is certainly poking the bear, and I don't agree with what these morons did, but I do think they have a right to do it.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:06 pm to Open Your Eyes
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So when a black person giving a presentation on critical race theory tells all the white people in the audience they’re racist and need to atone for their privilege, that’s also a hate crime to you right?
Not surprised he ran away from the turd he left in this thread.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:06 pm to David_DJS
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I'm arguing that pasting racist shite on a church door is vandalism, and the whole "hate crime" thing is nonsense.
Is it a crime yes
Is it a petty crime yes
Is it a petty crime motivated by hate? Yes.
Should you go to prison for a decade for a petty crime even if it’s motivated by hate? No. I don’t Think so.
So we probably kinda agree.
Obviously I don’t think anyone would consider burning a cross on a black church front lawn “minor arson”
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:07 pm to Jack Carter
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Far less than what BLM has done on private property without any repercussions
I heard a podcast where the guy lived in a high rise near rioting, and residents were on the balconies looking down at store fronts getting destroyed. He said the "peaceful blm protestors" were yelling up at them saying they were going to come up and rape the "their white bitches."
This is way better than the pamphlets.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:10 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
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Did you read the article? They weren’t standing on a public side walk passing it out, there were targeting Jewish and black churches. You could argue to intimidate them.
Assault is a well defined term.
Are you saying they committed Assault? Or, are you trying to say something outside of assault is a crime.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:12 pm to SammyTiger
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I think Some BLM harassment was worse and some wasn’t as bad there was a lot done in the name of BLM.
"some" is disingenuous to the scale of all that happened that summer. The majority, if not all, day time peaceful protested turned into late night rioting and destruction. The correlation between the 2 is not separable.
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FWIW I dont think Freedom of speech allows you to scream at people in restaurants.
That's a positive.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:17 pm to basionok
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Free speech makes it difficult to prosecute white supremacy in America
In order to prosecute something, there needs to be a crime, so your post is meaningless.
White Supremacy, no matter how disgusting you believe it is, is not a crime...nor is black supremacy, nor the Muslim faith.
Acts based on those ideologies can be illegal. Hating jews isn't illegal. Thinking they should be wiped off he earth isn't illegal. Documenting or saying that they should be wiped off the earth isn't illegal. Threatening to kill a jew (or all) IS illegal.
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