re: MSM Turf

The measuring tool that came with my bottle had ounces on it. For 2 gallons use .05. MSM recommends .1 for 4 gallons. Use the tsp. route if that's what you're comfortable with.
If your problem isn't too awfully bad try spot spraying as a tester.
Let us know how it went.

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Does this mean 1/8 per gallon, or 1/8 per 2 gallons, or hell just wing it somewhere in-between?

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It can be confusing for those new to lawn weed control. The label directions are to apply the equivalent of 1/8 teaspoon, 0.5 grams, of the herbicide per 1000 sq ft of lawn. Think of the water as a carrier, not a dilutant. For some people their brand of sprayer and walking gait can cover 1000 sq ft with 1 gallon of water, others such as myself, it takes 2 gallons per 1000 sq ft.

So calibrate your sprayer. Take your 2 gallon sprayer fill it with 1 gallon of water, mark off 1000 sq ft in your driveway, and start spaying the driveway with a fan spray as you were spraying your lawn. See how many sq ft of driveway you cover with that one gallon. Then adjust the amount of water in the sprayer that allows you cover cover 1000 sq ft - 1, 1.5, 2…. gallons whatever it is for you. Then add 1/8 teaspoon of MSM to that amount of water in your sprayer, plus surfactant, and go spray 1000 sq ft of lawn.

To spot spray, I personally add 1/8 teaspoon of MSM to gallon of water and do a quick, light spray to a “clump of weeds”. Don’t over-spray or saturate or you might kill the surrounding grass.

How many grains of MSM equals 1/8 teaspoon?

“Think of the water as a carrier, not a dilutant.”

Wow- Super helpful info & breakdown. Thank you!
Will keep ya posted on the outcomes.

If you go buy Manor as your MSM herbicide it comes with a measuring tube.

Followed all the steps down to spraying the driveway to calibrate. Super helpful!

Hit the full yard 2wks ago and things are changing.
VBW - Most turning purple, some still laughing at me.
Lespedeza - Crispy
Bahia - Showing signs of death
Dollar Weed - slight change, some yellowing.

Also recently realized I have mega dove weed or carpet grass (possibly even both) and Kyllinga coming in strong.

My question:
Can I follow my first MSM application with Celsius to try to hit some of these other things that MSM won't touch?
Or, if I stick with MSM for 2nd application how long should I wait to nail'em all with Celsius?

I was trying to not drop more $$$, and I am now totally locked in on this addiction of lawn perfection now.

Those herbicides have two different modes of action. Msm stops cell division and Celsius stops amino acid production. Because of that, they can be used at the same time or shortly after one another. Like any application of herbicide, over spraying or mixing a strong batch or spray on a 95 degree, full sun day may yellow the grass

Has craw said you’ll need Celsius to control the weeds you listed.

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Ronk or Craw - Not to hijack this thread but have either of you ever sprayed MSM and Sulfentrazone together? I have some spots of Button weed, Goosegrass, Barnyard grass, Crabgrass and Nut Sedge that didn’t die with the MSMA I sprayed 2-3 months ago. I’m the kind of person if I can mix them and make one spray why not do it. I know Blindside is supposedly Metsulfuron and Sulfentrazone together in one package.

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I haven’t personally but you are correct in that Blindside is a mixture of the 2 so yes you be able to mix the two, but maybe you want to target a dosing concentration that is equivalent to Blindside?

Do you use pre-emergent herbicides? I used to have some issue with crabgrass, barnyard grass and goosegrass - I never see them anymore since I started using pre-emergent herbicides about 5 years ago. Of course pre-emergents don’t do anything with nutsedge.

I have St Aug...which pre-ems (and when did you apply) did you have your success with?