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Tesla needs to be driven for 47K miles to breakeven with BMW in terms of CO2 emissions

Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:52 am
Posted by hikingfan
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:52 am
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The most comprehensive picture I could find came from a study produced by Circular Energy Storage, itself based on data from the Argonne National Lab (PDF), which publishes absolutely exhaustive figures and data on the environmental impact of all sorts of motoring. That data estimates 7,300 kg of CO2 is generated for the creation of a 100 kilowatt-hour Tesla battery pack. Since the Model 3 has a roughly 75 kWh battery pack, we can reduce that figure to 5,500 kg of CO2.

That means the Tesla has a significant handicap to overcome before it even rolls off the dealership lot. But, based on the per-mile figures above, we can do the math on just how long it would take to offset that. The answer? 47,413 miles, or a little over three years of average driving for the average American. After that, the Tesla Model 3 has made up its deficit and will forevermore be cleaner than the BMW.

But remember, that's the worst-case scenario. If instead you're driving your EV up in Alaska, which has the highest percentage of renewable energy usage in the continental US, the Model 3 produces a measly 130 grams of CO2 per mile. That brings the break-even point down to 26,699 miles, or about two years of average driving.


So, there you have it. Even when using electricity that largely comes from coal, and even factoring in the creation of the battery pack, EVs have a considerably smaller impact on the environment than traditional, gasoline-powered cars.

Now, what happens when those battery packs can't hold a charge? And just how long will that take, anyway? And just how much money can you save running an EV instead of burning gasoline? For all those answers and more, stay tuned for the next installment of EVs Exposed!


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The biggest surprise to me in this article was finding out that Alaska has the highest percentage of renewable energy usage in the continental US. What kind of renewables are those, I wonder?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19577 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:54 am to
IIRC, Volvo gave a 90k mile figure for their own cars.

I reject the idea that carbon is a problem though. It’s just a parasitic scheme for some people to get rich at societies expense.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:57 am to
Muh truck nuts
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:58 am to
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What kind of renewables are those, I wonder?

Don't a lot of people up there burn oil for heat in the winter?
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:58 am to
That’s fine and all, but I am still against the government picking winners and losers. If it is indeed a better technology, then it will win out on its own.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
66137 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:59 am to

That link
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:00 pm to
They capture methane from polar bear farts and fuse them together then split then to make water and charcoal.
CH4 + CH4 + 2(mouthbreathers) Oxygen2 and you get 2 carbon molecules and 4 water molecules.

It is science.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
55468 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:03 pm to
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Alaska has the highest percentage of renewable energy usage in the continental US. What kind of renewables are those, I wonder?

Methamphetamine and moose farts.





Sorry, Roger.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15870 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:05 pm to
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Tesla needs to be driven for 47K miles to breakeven with BMW in terms of CO2 emissions


In a worst case scenario.
Posted by ReadyPlayer1
Clown World
Member since Oct 2020
1063 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:06 pm to
Read one that was pretty comprehensive a year ago and they compared it to a Camery I think. Was like 90k miles to break even and if the Tesla needed another set of batteries it went up to like 140k miles or something like that.

I have no idea how true it was but remember everything they have figured out seemed legit. Also I don't remember the exact numbers but it was close to those.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49444 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:09 pm to
Truth is regular cars produce CO2 that adds to global warming meanwhile electric car batteries have to use lithium neither option are the perfect option for green or renewable energy. Which is why we need to invest into finding energy sources that don’t require us to rely something that is one harmful to the environment and two a source that isn’t finite.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:09 pm to
Korksoaker is not gonna like this.
Posted by Engineer22
Member since Nov 2012
1915 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:12 pm to
Are they factoring what happens with the batteries when you have to change them out in 10 years?
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14343 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:17 pm to
Does that include emissions from the wrecker hauling it to the shop or the fire team having to extinguish the battery fire?
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25000 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:35 pm to
Alaska has the highest usage of renewables because many live off the grid and use solar for lights. Alaskan living is pretty spartan compared to the rest of the country
Posted by lsufb1912
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2021
5965 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:45 pm to
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If instead you're driving your EV up in Alaska, which has the highest percentage of renewable energy usage in the continental US, the Model 3 produces a measly 130 grams of CO2 per mile.


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What kind of renewables are those, I wonder?


Not sure if you're hinting at something or just asking a question, but "renewable energy" is wind, hydro, geothermal, biomass, solar, and marine hydrokinetic.

besides the point - people who drive an EV & think they're saving the environment are the dumbest.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Tiger Roux
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
4942 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 1:01 pm to
How about that mountain they have to destroy to get the lithium?
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59915 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 1:11 pm to
So what. I just pull a tomato garden with me everywhere. Only by product is juicy tomatoes.

Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
1125 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 1:39 pm to
And Louisiana will spend 75 million tax payer dollars to put in charging stations across the state.
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
6849 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:38 pm to
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So, there you have it. Even when using electricity that largely comes from coal, and even factoring in the creation of the battery pack, EVs have a considerably smaller impact on the environment than traditional, gasoline-powered cars.


All the facts and data introduced have nothing to do with the above part. That break even point was for just the production of the battery, not regular recharging of it.

All of that aside, I don't care about any of that. Emissions is not a concern of mine when purchasing a vehicle...operating cost for what I need over the life of the vehicle is my concern.
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