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The Concept of a Planned Death

Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:28 am
Posted by AtlanticTigerMan
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:28 am
As I've gotten older and am now approaching my 40s and middle age this is something I've thought about more. Why is the concept of a planned death so appalling to people? Why are people so against this?

And when I say a planned death I don't mean s*icide. That is a death that is without dignity, without family members around you and typically quite painful since you are doing it yourself.

I know we've talked about it before on this board. Would you want to live forever? Most of us even admit we wouldn't as life would get boring. As an older millennial (38) I'm screwed in terms of retirement. Most millennials, Gen Z's and even some of Gen X will never get to retire in the way Baby Boomers are able to retire.

Besides all that, what is so great about retirement anyway? Work your butt off for 40 years and physically destroy your body to get maybe 5 or 10 years in retirement? Who knows what you'll even be able to do in your 60s and 70s. It's something that I've definitely thought about since the pandemic.

Even my dad has told me a funny story before. My dad asked once (while working at GE) why the mandatory retirement age is 65. The answer he received: Because you'll be dead at 66. That's not retirement, that's putting you out to pasture since you aren't valuable to them anymore.

But my point is all this, with retirement being a mere fantasy for most people at this point, what about the idea of a planned death?

This could be an idea where you simply plan and pick an age. You could say "okay I'm going to plan to die at 60". That lets you plan everything. You could then work until you know you can make it under the planned death. You'll know exactly how much time you have so you can make sure you do everything you want. You can do this before you get the point where health issues might really hurt you and affect your ability to do what you wan in a traditional "retirement".

When your predetermined date comes where you will die, you can do so in comfort and with dignity. You can do it with family and friends by your side and not be alone. You can do it in a pain free way where your last moments will be of peace, not suffering.

What do you think? Do you agree with or are at least receptive to the idea of a planned death? Especially with considerations such as money, health, overpopulation and other concerns should this be an idea that gains traction in our society?
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
18668 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:29 am to
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As an older millennial (38) I'm screwed in terms of retirement. Most millennials, Gen Z's and even some of Gen X will never get to retire in the way Baby Boomers are able to retire






Sucks to be poor.

You’re 38! Stop whining on the internet and do something about it.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 9:01 pm
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
39983 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:30 am to
If I could live like my grandmother, who is 100 and has ZERO health issues other than dementia I'd be fine with living a long long long time.

If I was like some of the residents at the facility where I work, I'd take an early death ... trachs, tube feedings, wounds EVERYWHERE ... no thanks.

That said, we don't really get to choose do we?
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:30 am to
I've got nothing against it, but I think the Bible does.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:33 am to
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Why are people so against this?


because it fricks up everyone that loves you - unless you're at the end of days it's the most selfish thing a person can do.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71551 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:36 am to
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
14735 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:37 am to
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Work your butt off for 40 years and physically destroy your body to get maybe 5 or 10 years in retirement?


This is the worst part of it all. People should have the freedom to enjoy life when they are younger and not have to work consistently until you’re too old to really enjoy life.
Posted by AtlanticTigerMan
Member since May 2022
20 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:38 am to
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If I could live like my grandmother, who is 100 and has ZERO health issues other than dementia I'd be fine with living a long long long time.

If I was like some of the residents at the facility where I work, I'd take an early death ... trachs, tube feedings, wounds EVERYWHERE ... no thanks.

That said, we don't really get to choose do we?


But that's the thing, why shouldn't we? Why should it have to be left up to fate?

I know my fate. I already have some health issues. I know by the time I'm in my 60s or 70s my health will be terrible. I'll be far more likely to be the type who will have trachs, tube feedings, wounds everywhere.

I wouldn't want to live like that but yet I'm not given that choice. I would never have the guts to kill myself in a violent way. And why should someone have to die without dignity?

I can tell you right now. If given the choice I would plan to die at 55. I would save up enough money to retire at 45 and then spend the last 10 years of my life traveling, being outdoors, being around family and friends and actually enjoying life. But yet I'm not given that choice. Is that really the right thing? I don't think it is.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37722 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:39 am to
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I'm screwed in terms of retirement. M


Why? Save some money and create your own retirement account. Why are you counting
On someone else?
Posted by LSUWoodworker
St George "God's Country "
Member since Dec 2007
18730 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:39 am to
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AtlanticTigerMan



I am sorry you feel this way. Perhaps a little ecouragement would help you alone my friend.


Posted by AtlanticTigerMan
Member since May 2022
20 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:40 am to
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This is the worst part of it all. People should have the freedom to enjoy life when they are younger and not have to work consistently until you’re too old to really enjoy life.


And yet that's exactly how our system is set up. Work away during your younger years and then retire when you're too old to really enjoy life.

I saw it with my parents who don't do much. My uncle is right at 70 and is already having health problems. He'll probably retire in a few years and he won't be able to do anything. He won't be living, he'll just be waiting to die.

The way we set up our lives is really screwed up and it took a global pandemic for me to realize that.
Posted by AtlanticTigerMan
Member since May 2022
20 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:42 am to
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This is the worst part of it all. People should have the freedom to enjoy life when they are younger and not have to work consistently until you’re too old to really enjoy life.


But why should someone have to do it in some back alley or in the darkness? Why should someone have to do it in a painful way?

It's ironic that pets get more rights than humans regarding this. We think nothing of putting down a pet who is suffering and in pain (without their consent mind you) but God forbid a person wants their life to end with dignity, nope no easy way to go out for you.

I would plan to end my life at 55. But I want to do it with dignity and with family and friends by my side. Not alone. Your mentality I'd have to do it painfully and alone. Is that really the right mentality?
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 11:43 am
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
22023 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:46 am to
Lighten up. I retired at age 60 in 2002 - I'm now 80 enjoying the heck out of what life has to offer (single malt scotch, cuban cigars and fricking beautiful women). I plan to continue on this course for many years.
Posted by LSUWoodworker
St George "God's Country "
Member since Dec 2007
18730 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:46 am to
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AtlanticTigerMan



Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:46 am to
I swear to God, young people are just soft as frick these days. If you don't like slaving away at a job, start your own business - get a different career - do something to help other people - quit being a pussy.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
7927 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:47 am to
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
17684 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:48 am to
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physically destroy your body to get maybe 5 or 10 years in retirement?


I don't think you're accurate there. The average age of death is in the mid 70's and that includes infant mortality. I believe I read that if you make it to age 60, you have a very high probability of making it to 90.

And you're only 38. Start putting money in mutual funds or even something as simple as index funds and you'd be surprised at how much money you'll have at 65.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:48 am to
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Lighten up. I retired at age 60 in 2002 - I'm now 80 enjoying the heck out of what life has to offer (single malt scotch, cuban cigars and fricking beautiful women). I plan to continue on this course for many years.


Now here's a man - learn from this guy
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37722 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:48 am to
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know my fate


You don’t know shite. Obviously. You want to be a
Victim and you don’t want to make any choices, apparently.

Get up and try to do something to change the course of your future. Quit sitting there feeling sorry for yourself and worrying about what you think will or won’t happen.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32433 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:49 am to
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When your predetermined date comes where you will die, you can do so in comfort and with dignity. You can do it with family and friends by your side and not be alone. You can do it in a pain free way where your last moments will be of peace, not suffering.


That's still suicide by a different method.
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