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re: The left keep pushing back with rape and mother's life arguments
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:44 am to CrimeStoppers
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:44 am to CrimeStoppers
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Everything is cookie cutter, until you actually speak with a woman who has endured the trauma of rape. Sick fricks.
All these fricking dumdums who are against abortion in cases of rape need to watch a movie called Irreversible. Because that's what frickin' rape looks like. Real rape, not Lifetime movie rape.
After they watch it. They can then imagine their wives, sisters, mothers and daughters being unflinchingly buttfricked and vaginally ripped apart in a well lit alleyway. The only lube being your wife, sister mother or daughter's fecal matter and rectal blood.
Well that's rape. That's what rape is. A man wouldn't know this. When it comes to women, men are fools.
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Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:47 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:No one is denying that rape is horrific, traumatic, and evil. We are just denying that it is a sufficient reason to end an innocent life that was created through that horrific act.
All these fricking dumdums who are against abortion in cases of rape need to watch a movie called Irreversible. Because that's what frickin' rape looks like. Real rape, not Lifetime movie rape.
After they watch it. They can then imagine their wives, sisters, mothers and daughters being unflinchingly buttfricked and vaginally ripped apart in a well lit alleyway. The only lube being your wife, sister mother or daughter's fecal matter and rectal blood.
Well that's rape. That's what rape is. A man wouldn't know this. When it comes to women, men are fools.
This is what I meant when I said that this type of argument is an emotional argument rather than a logical/rational argument. It's validity is entirely based on prompting an emotional response.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:49 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I see that contradiction in my viewpoint, and I allow for it out of emotional reasons. I don't normally function like that, but in this case I do...and it kind of bothers me.
i think abortion allows for a bit of contradiction in several ways because it's a completely emotionally charged issue every way you slice it. i don't know anybody that's completely neutral on the subject.
i.e. most republicans abhor abortion, but don't mind the death penalty.
i'm extremely libertarian, bordering on anarchist sometimes these days. i also try to arrive at any political opinion i have based on facts and truth that are outweighed by my obedience to Christ and love for fellow man. that's changed my opinions on welfare, immigration, death penalty, and a few other things as i've aged.
while i've become more "liberal" on those issues, i've only hardened my pro-life stances to being fairly militant. i'm against the death penalty, but it's not a hill i'm willing to die on. Abortion is that hill.
it's perceived life vs. perceived freedom. i see abortion as murder and somebody getting an abortion sees it as me hindering their freedom and choices. it's illogical on both sides.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:51 am to Pandy Fackler
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Well that's rape. That's what rape is. A man wouldn't know this.
Ever heard of prison?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:52 am to FooManChoo
quote:But you are saying you want to force a woman to carry full term a baby she had no consent over, even if she could terminate it when it was just an embryo.
We are just denying that it is a sufficient reason to end an innocent life that was created through that horrific act.
quote:It isn’t emotional, it’s just true. If you are against all abortion, you are for woman carry rapist babies, and women carrying babies that will kill them
This is what I meant when I said that this type of argument is an emotional argument rather than a logical/rational argument. It's validity is entirely based on prompting an emotional response.
That isn’t emotional, it’s facts. If your belief in banning all abortions is strong, you need to accept that and own it
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:53 am to ApexTiger
The demprogs support birthday abortion. Most people think that that should be a capital crime.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:54 am to lsupride87
quote:
But you are saying you want to force a woman to carry full term a baby she had no consent over, even if she could terminate it when it was just an embryo.
hypothetically, if the right would say, "yes you can terminate a pregnancy in the first trimester that's the result of rape or harm to the mother, but the rapist must be brought to justice," would you accept that as a fair compromise.?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:57 am to 3nOut
quote:My personal beliefs are
hypothetically, if the right would say, "yes you can terminate a pregnancy in the first trimester that's the result of rape or harm to the mother, but the rapist must be brought to justice," would you accept that as a fair compromise.?
1. Abortion out of convenience is wrong
2. Forcing a woman to carry a child from rape, or a child that would harm her, is wrong
Thats personally how I feel.
When it comes to making an actual law, Jesus it gets so damn tricky for me. When is something actually a “life”? Some will say conception. Some will say when the baby is viable on it own, etc etc. That isn’t settled science at all, so how can we arrive at a law?
Just extremely nuanced for me
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:58 am to Pandy Fackler
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Not them black babies. Folks are seven times more likely to avoid adopting a black baby than a non-black baby.
Link? I can't find anything to support this statement.
If true, I imagine that has more to do with the fact that black people are far less likely to adopt than it has to do with anything else.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:59 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:Irreversible was written, directed, casted, and produced by men.
watch a movie called Irreversible...
A man wouldn't know this.
Have a downvote from a man who recognizes an idiot where one exists.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 10:00 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:00 am to FooManChoo
quote:
This is what I meant when I said that this type of argument is an emotional argument rather than a logical/rational argument. It's validity is entirely based on prompting an emotional response.
What you know about women in general and taking care of a sexual trauma victim couldn't fill a thimble. Honestly, it couldn't. Every single thing about being raped is emotional. All of it. 100% of it. There's nothing "logical or rational" about the act of it or its outcome.
To deny a woman an abortion after a rape is Ozark snake handling level shite. That's how primitive and ridiculous you are. And people like you are just as dangerous to the freedoms of this country as the far left.
You're a fool.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:02 am to 3nOut
quote:
yes you can terminate a pregnancy in the first trimester that's the result of rape or harm to the mother, but the rapist must be brought to justice," would you accept that as a fair compromise.?
That’s an end around. Caught, tried, and convicted? That embryo might be a toddler by that time.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:03 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
quote:
watch a movie called Irreversible...
A man wouldn't know this.
Irreversible was written, directed, casted, and produced by men.
Have a downvote from a man who recognizes an idiot where one exists.
Go ahead and deflect and pretend to not the get point dipshit.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:04 am to LSU alum wannabe
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That’s an end around. Caught, tried, and convicted? That embryo might be a toddler by that time.
Just giving DNA evidence at the time of the rape to support your claims would be a pretty good start.
ETA: Actually, I think this should be a requirement in all rape cases. You have to actually report it when it happened, not months later when you've finally decided you drinking too much meant you were raped.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:07 am to imjustafatkid
quote:This is so fricking dumb. When women are actually raped, it’s pretty freaking emotional and embarassing, often resulting on them not telling anyone after it happens
ETA: Actually, I think this should be a requirement in all rape cases. You have to actually report it when it happened, not months later when you've finally decided you drinking too much meant you were raped.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:07 am to FooManChoo
quote:That is fair.
This is what I meant when I said that this type of argument is an emotional argument rather than a logical/rational argument.
The chief reason even non-violent rape is punished so severely is the emotional toll it takes on the victim. In some instances the toll can be so overbearing as to permanently alter intimacy. Now extrapolate that to an entire pregnancy which in rare instances could additionally cost the mother her future fertility, or even her life. It is not an emotional argument, but rather a factually scientific one.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:08 am to lsupride87
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When it comes to making an actual law, Jesus it gets so damn tricky for me. When is something actually a “life”? Some will say conception. Some will say when the baby is viable on it own, etc etc. That isn’t settled science at all, so how can we arrive at a law?
Just extremely nuanced for me
i'm in no disagreement. it's extremely nuanced and emotionally charged that any opinion can easily be construed as wholesale endorsement of either ideology.
what i am saying, is that most people don't like abortion in general, but like you, accept it in certain extreme situations.
When people site the poll of 70% support abortion, the actual question is "do you support abortion with certain restrictions (trimesters, life of mother, etc.?)" the actual support for second and third trimester abortions are both well below 50%.
my hypothetical question is a litmus/turing test. if we grant first trimester, rape/incest, life of the mother as exceptions would that be acceptable terms?
they WERE the acceptable terms for 40+ years of Roe's existence, then third trimester and post-birth abortions were put on the table in the last 10 years.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:10 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
Link? I can't find anything to support this statement.
If true, I imagine that has more to do with the fact that black people are far less likely to adopt than it has to do with anything else.
LINK
Hispanic and white babies are adopted at essentially the same rate, with girls being the preference for both.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:11 am to lsupride87
quote:
This is so fricking dumb. When women are actually raped, it’s pretty freaking emotional and embarassing, often resulting on them not telling anyone after it happens
Roe lied about being raped by multiple black men in order to attempt to obtain her abortion.
i am not negating the difficulty of reporting your rape. it has to be horrifying. #metoo went way too far, but rapists are the worst of society and we should want to root it out.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 10:12 am to 3nOut
quote:Vwry well said. Another thing, most people are pro-birth, not pro-life
3nOut
They want the baby to be born, but after that don’t care really that the baby goes into foster care or an absolutely awful home. And don’t you dare think about higher taxes to support these additional babies being born.
It’s emotion and hypocrisy to me with abortion, on both sides. It’s why I’m tired of it being such a big ticket item
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