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Return to office / employees quitting
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:18 pm
Anyone here having any return to office turnover issues?
My company is starting a phased return to office this month. We had hoped that they would say frick it, the office is here for meetings if you need it, but continue to work from home as we have experienced record performance and record low turnover during this period.
A key member of our team is leaving because the company would not negotiate terms of return to office. She offered to stay for a month, but they set her last date before return to office to avoid people getting the chance to speak with her. This is a huge director-level loss and she has no heir-apparent, so we will get to divvy up her tasks. In side conversations, there are 2 others on the team at the same level that are likely to quit.
Was speaking to folks this weekend, and they are seeing the same thing in their offices. Zero to low turnover during remote work, but high turnover once they get back to it.
I'm optimistic the company will be forced to rethink its position on this, but I am amazed that execs are sticking to their butts in seats attitude after such a long period of success doing what we are doing. It's no longer a trial period, it's just the way things are.
Unwilling to negotiate because they "can't offer something to one employee that they can't offer to everyone," while also simultaneously allowing people to relocate during covid to work remotely, and hiring people that are permanently remote. It doesn't make any sense. We work on computers, we aren't an assembly line.
Will be interesting to watch, I guess. There is a massive shift coming our way, some huge employers have yet to even return yet, but are going to have to address it soon.
+ Yes, I know many folks never stopped going to the office. I worked at a place like that, too. I left.
+ Yes, working in an office is better than some alternatives.
My company is starting a phased return to office this month. We had hoped that they would say frick it, the office is here for meetings if you need it, but continue to work from home as we have experienced record performance and record low turnover during this period.
A key member of our team is leaving because the company would not negotiate terms of return to office. She offered to stay for a month, but they set her last date before return to office to avoid people getting the chance to speak with her. This is a huge director-level loss and she has no heir-apparent, so we will get to divvy up her tasks. In side conversations, there are 2 others on the team at the same level that are likely to quit.
Was speaking to folks this weekend, and they are seeing the same thing in their offices. Zero to low turnover during remote work, but high turnover once they get back to it.
I'm optimistic the company will be forced to rethink its position on this, but I am amazed that execs are sticking to their butts in seats attitude after such a long period of success doing what we are doing. It's no longer a trial period, it's just the way things are.
Unwilling to negotiate because they "can't offer something to one employee that they can't offer to everyone," while also simultaneously allowing people to relocate during covid to work remotely, and hiring people that are permanently remote. It doesn't make any sense. We work on computers, we aren't an assembly line.
Will be interesting to watch, I guess. There is a massive shift coming our way, some huge employers have yet to even return yet, but are going to have to address it soon.
+ Yes, I know many folks never stopped going to the office. I worked at a place like that, too. I left.
+ Yes, working in an office is better than some alternatives.
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Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:19 pm to concrete_tiger
yes, our company gave us the option to return partial or go to remote 100%. I chose remote, and wouldve found another job if I were forced to go back.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:21 pm to concrete_tiger
We had remote workers even before Covid, they usually want the younger inexperienced workers to start in an office first while learning.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:21 pm to concrete_tiger
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work from home
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we have experienced record performance
Not if I worked from home...
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:22 pm to concrete_tiger
The market will dictate which of these types of companies succeed and which fall off the map. It's a new era and companies that aren't willing to adapt will be lost.
I work for the public utility in CO and they hired so many people during the WFH boom in 2020 and 2021 that there's physically no space in the entire downtown Denver office building to allow everyone to come in. We now have one week out of every month a specific set of teams travels in and either does site visits or goes to the office. It's a nice balance and one that gives everyone a piece of what they want.
I work for the public utility in CO and they hired so many people during the WFH boom in 2020 and 2021 that there's physically no space in the entire downtown Denver office building to allow everyone to come in. We now have one week out of every month a specific set of teams travels in and either does site visits or goes to the office. It's a nice balance and one that gives everyone a piece of what they want.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:22 pm to concrete_tiger
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Anyone here having any return to office turnover issues?
Yep...I've got 4 people who are supposed to be back on site by May 16th. Totally anticipate losing at least 1 between now and then.
Thing is, they have been more productive since working from home. Not just a little bit...significantly more productive.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:24 pm to concrete_tiger
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Unwilling to negotiate because they "can't offer something to one employee that they can't offer to everyone," while also simultaneously allowing people to relocate during covid to work remotely, and hiring people that are permanently remote
We are staying hybrid indefinitely it seems. A lot of our managers and directors ended up liking not having to commute everyday too.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:24 pm to concrete_tiger
Lots of people saved tons of money not driving or eating out during the day.
People are gonna usually choose the extra sleep prior to work, being home at the end of work, and just not dealing with traffic
People are gonna usually choose the extra sleep prior to work, being home at the end of work, and just not dealing with traffic
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:24 pm to concrete_tiger
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I'm optimistic the company will be forced to rethink its position on this, but I am amazed that execs are sticking to their butts in seats attitude after such a long period of success doing what we are doing.
I think companies that have a lot of money tied up into commercial real estate (large office buildings) are bringing people back into the office to justify overpaying for office space.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:26 pm to concrete_tiger
If you’re in a field that can do WFH or a hybrid, you’re going to lose employees to companies who have the flexibility. It’s one of the good things to come from COVID. Not every job has to be office based, nor should it be.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:26 pm to fallguy_1978
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We are staying hybrid indefinitely it seems.
I've always figured that the "hybrid" thing was just a way to eventually transition people back to fulltime in-office without say it explicitly.
If my boss told me I had to come back to the office, I'd quit.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:26 pm to TexasTiger90
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I work for the public utility in CO and they hired so many people during the WFH boom in 2020 and 2021 that there's physically no space in the entire downtown Denver office building to allow everyone to come in. We now have one week out of every month a specific set of teams travels in and either does site visits or goes to the office. It's a nice balance and one that gives everyone a piece of what they want.
I am interested in the space aspect, too. We hired dozens of people during covid. I know MOST people have 2 monitors, some nerds like me have 3. Has the office prepared to set people up like they have been used to for 2+ years? Where will all these people fit? There's zero chance they want more space.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:28 pm to JDPndahizzy
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Not if I worked from home...
I don't know how it'd be for me. I keep saying I wouldn't be able to be productive but I'd likely get the same amount of work done in half the time then end up mowing the grass. I'm not good with distractions and being in the office keeps me focused.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:28 pm to concrete_tiger
It's a job seekers market. All other things being equal, If a competitor is providing the same pay and the opportunity to work from home then someone that is interested in working from home will take that job every single time. There have been people waiting years for this opportunity to work from home. Covid realized those dreams for some.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:28 pm to GetCocky11
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We are staying hybrid indefinitely it seems.
I've always figured that the "hybrid" thing was just a way to eventually transition people back to fulltime in-office without say it explicitly.
If my boss told me I had to come back to the office, I'd quit.
That's my feeling on this, honestly. One week here. Two weeks later. Full time next year. We had a week-long summit, and EVERY interaction with execs they harped on HOW great it was to see people in person, and look HOW PRODUCTIVE we are in person, and so on. No, not really.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:29 pm to concrete_tiger
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I'm optimistic the company will be forced to rethink its position on this, but I am amazed that execs are sticking to their butts in seats attitude after such a long period of success doing what we are doing. It's no longer a trial period, it's just the way things are.
Execs are boomers?
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:30 pm to Loup
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Not if I worked from home...
I don't know how it'd be for me. I keep saying I wouldn't be able to be productive but I'd likely get the same amount of work done in half the time then end up mowing the grass. I'm not good with distractions and being in the office keeps me focused.
That's the beauty of it. You can find your balance. I take my kids to school and pick them up. I can work early or work late, it's in my house, and I can flip on the TV and listen to it and I don't mind working on a presentation.
Right now I'm eating lunch and chillaxing, about to start a meeting. Shiat gets done if you have deadlines and goals. Open-ended stuff is always a risk. I can't be late for prepping for a sales call or big meeting, it doesn't work like that.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:30 pm to GetCocky11
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I've always figured that the "hybrid" thing was just a way to eventually transition people back to fulltime in-office without say it explicitly.
If my boss told me I had to come back to the office, I'd quit.
We haven't been given any indication that we'll go back full time. Supposedly we were having trouble filling positions without offering a flexible work schedule. We hired a few people that are out of state during Covid so they are obviously 100% remote.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:31 pm to concrete_tiger
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and look HOW PRODUCTIVE we are in person
frick those bosses, give me a break
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:32 pm to GetCocky11
They think they're being productive because they get to birddog their subordinates.
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