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Trevor Penning Discussion
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:47 pm
I love the Trevor Penning pick and think he has as high of a ceiling as any tackle in the draft and he loves football and has a great work ethic. However, I am not going to sugar coat the fact that his technique is not good. I would be shocked if he was ready to start week one.
The reason why he holds so much is that he has some really terrible habits. These are some big issues in his technique that I see.
- Doesn’t punch with inside hands. Allows defender to get into his chest and wrestles with him with hands on the outside.
- in pass pro will stop his feet, open his hips (lane to the qb), and try to dump them
- Not patient enough in pass protection and doesn’t trust his kick slide. His kick slide also needs work.
All of these things are coachable. He needs to be more patient in pass protection which will come with improving his technique and confidence on kick slide. He actually has quick feet but his technique is poor or he doesn’t trust it. Needs keep shoulders square to LOS longer and let defender come to him then attack with a strong inside punch. Defender gets your chest it is over. The second you open your hips you give the defender a lane to the qb around the edge or put yourself in a bad position for an inside counter like a spin. Needs to stop opening up and wrestling. Needs to work on keeping his feet moving and mirroring defender.
If he can improve those techniques I’m pretty confident that he will be one of the best tackles in the league. He has everything you want in an offensive tackle big, athletic, good bend, quick feet, nasty, work ethic. His technique is bad but at the same time also doesn’t look as raw as other raw players I have seen in the past. He also doesn’t look as goofy and awkward as those. The talent is there for sure. Will just depend how long it takes to break these bad habits.
The reason why he holds so much is that he has some really terrible habits. These are some big issues in his technique that I see.
- Doesn’t punch with inside hands. Allows defender to get into his chest and wrestles with him with hands on the outside.
- in pass pro will stop his feet, open his hips (lane to the qb), and try to dump them
- Not patient enough in pass protection and doesn’t trust his kick slide. His kick slide also needs work.
All of these things are coachable. He needs to be more patient in pass protection which will come with improving his technique and confidence on kick slide. He actually has quick feet but his technique is poor or he doesn’t trust it. Needs keep shoulders square to LOS longer and let defender come to him then attack with a strong inside punch. Defender gets your chest it is over. The second you open your hips you give the defender a lane to the qb around the edge or put yourself in a bad position for an inside counter like a spin. Needs to stop opening up and wrestling. Needs to work on keeping his feet moving and mirroring defender.
If he can improve those techniques I’m pretty confident that he will be one of the best tackles in the league. He has everything you want in an offensive tackle big, athletic, good bend, quick feet, nasty, work ethic. His technique is bad but at the same time also doesn’t look as raw as other raw players I have seen in the past. He also doesn’t look as goofy and awkward as those. The talent is there for sure. Will just depend how long it takes to break these bad habits.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 1:19 pm
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:49 pm to Mpd31
In that fox interview they were praising his patience
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:55 pm to Mpd31
From listening to Kiper talk sounded like Kyle Turley comp.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:57 pm to Proximo
Depends on what aspect they were referring to in patience. He needs to be more patient in regards to his pass pro in staying square to the line of scrimmage and running his guy around the pocket. He flips his hips immediately when closing into the point of attack. Needs to stay in his kick slide longer and run him deeper around the pocket
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:58 pm to Mpd31
Lotta next day buyers remorse creeping in on this board...
Posted on 4/29/22 at 12:59 pm to DomincDecoco
I have no buyers remorse on either prospect. I love both picks
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:04 pm to Mpd31
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However, I am not going to sugar coat the fact that his technique is straight garbage
That’s what we pay Doug Maronne for. If the coaches don’t think he’s ready Day 1 and we need to ease him into the lineup later on then so be it.
It’s not like this team isn’t used to it since Armstead would routinely miss weeks at a time.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:05 pm to Mpd31
We got a guy with franchise LT potential at #19. Try not to over complicate it.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:06 pm to Mpd31
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I love the Trevor Penning pick and think he has as high of a ceiling as any tackle in the draft
How much homework did you do on the tackles for this draft?
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:07 pm to saints5021
I’m not I love the pick. I’m just pointing out the things I see in his tape. The guy will be a stud once Doug coaches him up. Wasn’t trying to make this negative or bash him.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:11 pm to Mpd31
Hell of a breakdown. I was big on him for awhile and like you saw a lot of his “issues” appear to be coachable. Obviously, you need to have someone willing to learn and put the time in to make it work; but everything about this guy says he fits that desc.
One thing I look at is if he didn’t have these tendencies, there is a really good chances he’s a top 5 pick. Hopefully he’s a quick learner and has minimal setbacks along the way
One thing I look at is if he didn’t have these tendencies, there is a really good chances he’s a top 5 pick. Hopefully he’s a quick learner and has minimal setbacks along the way
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:16 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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From listening to Kiper talk sounded like Kyle Turley comp.
Exactly... he brings a lot of Turley attitude to the table. I can definitely see him ripping some dude's helmet off (though I would prefer he didn't
)
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:26 pm to Mpd31
needs lots of quality drilling and technique reps.
reps, reps, reps.
reps, reps, reps.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:28 pm to DomincDecoco
quote:
Lotta next day buyers remorse creeping in on this board...
Some of you are pure comedy
Posted on 4/29/22 at 1:56 pm to Mpd31
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he loves football and has a great work ethic.
Stopped reading
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:24 pm to Byron Bojangles III
quote:
From listening to Kiper talk sounded like Kyle Turley comp
The first half of Kiper's spiel he made it sound like Penning shouldn't even be drafted.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:26 pm to Mpd31
What makes people think that they have the knowledge and experience to critique professional football prospects? This sounds like you are just parroting some talking head's time filler speak. We don't know anything about these players that isn't filtered down for us. Not one of us has watched all his games at Northern Iowa.
The only real question about him for this year is whether he starts more fights with opposing players (or even teammates in practice) than Ceedy Duce.
The only real question about him for this year is whether he starts more fights with opposing players (or even teammates in practice) than Ceedy Duce.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:34 pm to Mpd31
What I do like is he is going to be molded into a consistent pro bowl level OT. He is not ready today but we have solid options in place until he is ready which will be this season and my guess is sooner rather than later.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 2:40 pm to TigerDeacon
I played D1 college football on the offensive line so I know a few things about what is required. I am not here to bash at all as obviously he is a much better player then me. However, many people are talking about he is bust and all he does is hold. The point of the post was to share my opinions in regards to the available film that I have watched of him online. This is what i have gathered from watching him and using my experience from my playing days. I am expecting him to be a stud but will need some time to develope his technique. This board is a place for us to share our opinions on all things saints related and I like to have conversations in regards to players on my favorite team.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:00 pm to saints5021
quote:Just my guess, but he would have been top 3 or so if he'd have come from a bigger program with better coaching.
We got a guy with franchise LT potential at #19. Try not to over complicate it.
I think he's caught up by the end of yr 2, and a fixture at tackle for a decade afterwards.
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