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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:07 pm to JayDeerTay84
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:07 pm to JayDeerTay84
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All I am going to say is Russia is one of those countries that will put anyone breathing on the line if invaded.
It appears Ukraine is also one of those countries.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:09 pm to ned nederlander
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It appears Ukraine is also one of those countries.
Is this some sort of “got ya”
Who has more nukes?
There is zero scenarios where Ukraine survives if they could even manage an invasion.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 5:31 pm to nopants
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A quick scan of the OT version of this thread will quickly 'educate' you on the overwhelming power and invincibility of the glorious Ukrainian armed forces.
Those people are completely nuts over there. They got really offended when I pointed out that the Russians are making progress in the Donbas region. They equate Russia as the evil empire that colluded with Trump. It’s why they hate the thought of any success against Ukraine.
One poor guy tried to compare Russian successes in Donbas as being as true as Hunter Biden’s laptop.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 5:41 pm to Chromdome35
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Yea, they probably will, and 3 months later after they bring those troops in, train them (to their very high standards), equip them (With what?), and deploy them to the battlefield, they MIGHT make a difference. Mobilization won't save Russia from a rapid advance by the Ukrainians.
Ukraine mobilized at the start of the war and those troops are starting to come out of training and be deployed...2 months later
You're a fricking retard and I hope the Ukrainian military isn't taking any notes from you.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 7:29 pm to Goonie02
Why don't you explain how I'm wrong. I don't think you can, I anticipate that you'll just throw more insults and deflect.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 8:12 pm to Chromdome35
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Why don't you explain how I'm wrong. I don't think you can, I anticipate that you'll just throw more insults and deflect.
please educate me on the 9 battle drills, small unit tactics, indirect fire support and armor warfare. Seems like you're an expert on everything war.
By the way, what units did you serve in? how many combat tours do you have?
Posted on 5/11/22 at 8:23 pm to Goonie02
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please educate me on the 9 battle drills, small unit tactics, indirect fire support and armor warfare. Seems like you're an expert on everything war.
By the way, what units did you serve in? how many combat tours do you have?
Deflection...as predicted
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 8:34 pm to Chromdome35
What a Decade-Old Conflict Tells Us About Putin
But one event is missing from these analyses, an episode that combines political and emotional aspects, and helped crystallize Putin’s distrust of the West, his own sense of vulnerability, and his ultimate decision to return as Russia’s president: the 2011 NATO-led intervention in Libya that resulted in the violent death of the country’s eccentric dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
He described the resolution as a “medieval call for a crusade,” another war in a long line of wars initiated by the West—from Serbia to Afghanistan to Iraq—to pursue regime change, sometimes under false pretexts, and ultimately dictate the rules of the global order.
Putin also believed that Medvedev had been naive. In his book All the Kremlin’s Men, Mikhail Zygar, a former editor in chief of the independent Russian TV station Rain, writes that Putin’s entourage whispered in his ear, “Medvedev betrayed Libya, he will betray you as well.”
Zygar writes that “Putin was apoplectic” when Gaddafi was killed. According to several accounts, including current CIA chief William Burns’s book The Back Channel, Putin frequently replayed the gruesome footage of Gaddafi being captured in a drainage pipe, being beaten to death. The capture, trial, and execution of Saddam Hussein did not seem to affect Putin as much. He had flippantly told French President Nicolas Sarkozy that he would hang Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili just as “the Americans had hanged Saddam Hussein.” But the lesson Putin drew from Libya was different: Being a pariah had served Gaddafi best; only when he had opened up to the West had they come after him.
Though Syria has long disappeared from the headlines in the U.S. and around most of the world, Syrians are watching closely what is unfolding miles away, and many are expressing solidarity with Ukrainians as they wonder with trepidation how the outcome will affect them and Russia’s hold on their country.
Some will be rooting for Putin to be deposed by disgruntled oligarchs, but even if this were to be the ultimate outcome, they know the devastation that will first be wrought on Ukraine. More than most, perhaps, they understand how the impunity with which Russia was able to conduct the war in Syria, the first large-scale Russian military intervention outside the borders of the former Soviet Union, emboldened Putin. Unlike the West, he did not see Libya or Syria as faraway places with no strategic interests, but as part of a chessboard, one where every square—from the Middle East to Ukraine—mattered.
theatlantic
The Clowns own the Atlantic, this is the reality, the Russian cleptos noticed how, Gadaffbeatme... todeath was handled.
Yes, he had it coming, but did we really need to gloat like barbarians?
By SUZANNE MOORE FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
UPDATED: 03:46 EDT, 24 October 2011
But one event is missing from these analyses, an episode that combines political and emotional aspects, and helped crystallize Putin’s distrust of the West, his own sense of vulnerability, and his ultimate decision to return as Russia’s president: the 2011 NATO-led intervention in Libya that resulted in the violent death of the country’s eccentric dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
He described the resolution as a “medieval call for a crusade,” another war in a long line of wars initiated by the West—from Serbia to Afghanistan to Iraq—to pursue regime change, sometimes under false pretexts, and ultimately dictate the rules of the global order.
Putin also believed that Medvedev had been naive. In his book All the Kremlin’s Men, Mikhail Zygar, a former editor in chief of the independent Russian TV station Rain, writes that Putin’s entourage whispered in his ear, “Medvedev betrayed Libya, he will betray you as well.”
Zygar writes that “Putin was apoplectic” when Gaddafi was killed. According to several accounts, including current CIA chief William Burns’s book The Back Channel, Putin frequently replayed the gruesome footage of Gaddafi being captured in a drainage pipe, being beaten to death. The capture, trial, and execution of Saddam Hussein did not seem to affect Putin as much. He had flippantly told French President Nicolas Sarkozy that he would hang Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili just as “the Americans had hanged Saddam Hussein.” But the lesson Putin drew from Libya was different: Being a pariah had served Gaddafi best; only when he had opened up to the West had they come after him.
Though Syria has long disappeared from the headlines in the U.S. and around most of the world, Syrians are watching closely what is unfolding miles away, and many are expressing solidarity with Ukrainians as they wonder with trepidation how the outcome will affect them and Russia’s hold on their country.
Some will be rooting for Putin to be deposed by disgruntled oligarchs, but even if this were to be the ultimate outcome, they know the devastation that will first be wrought on Ukraine. More than most, perhaps, they understand how the impunity with which Russia was able to conduct the war in Syria, the first large-scale Russian military intervention outside the borders of the former Soviet Union, emboldened Putin. Unlike the West, he did not see Libya or Syria as faraway places with no strategic interests, but as part of a chessboard, one where every square—from the Middle East to Ukraine—mattered.
theatlantic
The Clowns own the Atlantic, this is the reality, the Russian cleptos noticed how, Gadaffbeatme... todeath was handled.
Yes, he had it coming, but did we really need to gloat like barbarians?
By SUZANNE MOORE FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
UPDATED: 03:46 EDT, 24 October 2011
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 9:26 pm to Goonie02
The guy has something wrong with him. He is living and breathing this war.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 9:37 pm to DaTruth7
some of these posters are emotionally invested in the Ukrainian military for some reason.
from what you read in this thread Russia has lost on all fronts and their military sucks on all levels.
at the same time Russia is still a threat to the surrounding NATO countries in the Balkans and Baltics.
from what you read in this thread Russia has lost on all fronts and their military sucks on all levels.
at the same time Russia is still a threat to the surrounding NATO countries in the Balkans and Baltics.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 9:41 pm to Goonie02
Even though they are advancing in South Eastern Ukraine, they are losing because they aren't advancing fast enough haha. I really don't care who wins, just stop sending our money over there.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 9:58 pm to DaTruth7
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Even though they are advancing in South Eastern Ukraine, they are losing because they aren't advancing fast enough haha. I really don't care who wins, just stop sending our money over there.
I don't understand why we're sending over money and weapons when the Russian military is a joke.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 10:40 pm to Goonie02
Brandon and the Deep State want a regime change in Russia.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:11 pm to Goonie02
You don't rush to sign a 40 billion dollar bill for Ukraine if they are winning. That was a "oh shite, we are losing bigly" bill.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 6:16 am to Stidham8
I saw that. If anyone presents any facts related to Russia overcoming Ukraine in some way, you are labeled a commie supporter.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:17 am to Obtuse1
quote:Most everyone outside of the Putin wing of the GOP & Russian Zombies understood this & didn't buy Russian reasons for invasion. Who is going to invest to develop these rich hydrocarbons/ minerals ? With sanctions by the G7 nations most would never be extracted since the vast majority would have few markets to sell to.
The real reason Russia invaded a sovereign country was money. Liquid and gaseous dinosaur bones (algae but it isn't as poetic) and that other liquid gold called water.
N.Korea has trillions in mineral wealth ( far more than S Korea) , but no one to develop or markets to sell most of it . Putin miscalculated greatly.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:34 am to Chromdome35
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I'm still waiting on Russia to demonstrate any proficiency in combat.
You act like Russia controls 0% of Ukraine lol
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:40 am to DaTruth7
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You don't rush to sign a 40 billion dollar bill for Ukraine if they are winning. That was a "oh shite, we are losing bigly" bill.
The reality of the situation is that Russia has essentially beheaded Ukraine and turned it to basically an inflated Moldova by seizing its most resource rich areas and putting it in a position of blockading it to death. Despite the pro-Ukraine narrative, Russia doesn’t need Kiev or to annex the rest of Ukraine and it would make zero sense to do but I know we gotta spin it to look good for Ukraine somehow…THEY RETREATED
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N.Korea has trillions in mineral wealth ( far more than S Korea) , but no one to develop or markets to sell most of it . Putin miscalculated greatly.
Russia isn’t North Korea, dear god get off Yahoo News or CNN for a change. It’s actually the other way around. Ukraine was sitting under a pool of untapped resources that could challenge Russia’s advantage in the European market. However, it couldn’t because the country is a cesspit like North Korea until like 2014 where it started flirting with the idea.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 7:44 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:51 am to Palmetto98
quote:So who is going to buy all of these minerals & hydrocarbons from Russia? Production in Russia is going to decline so how are they going to develop untapped Ukrainian sources with few buyers?
like North Korea until like 2014 where it started flirting with the idea.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 8:47 am to sugar71
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So who is going to buy all of these minerals & hydrocarbons from Russia?
CHINA
The'll play the russia bad card as long as it takes, Joe will be gone and Mycraine will become back page news.
That's the reason Soros threw his hissy fit.
China recently delivered sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons to Serbia, an ally of Russia, in an auspicious way. It delivered both the equipment and a message to the West that China has the willingness, capacity and technology to act on its interests.
Every action of China must be watched and countered where possible. The Chinese Communist Party is no friend of the United States or its NATO partners. If anyone doubted this before the war in Ukraine, today it is obvious.
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