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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:32 am to
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
525 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:32 am to
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Maybe not outright called it such, but they are not showing much support for it either.


Did you take these samples through the Google search engine?
Try another one, like Dakdakgo. The results will surprise you. And there are many of them,
So
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article China decided to financially and economically support Russia.
I took the first thing that came to hand

LINK

Get on the Chinese forums and sites, see what's going on there. The Chinese at the state level explain what is happening. There was a husband (Russian Federation) and a wife (Ukraine), then they decided to get a divorce. And an ungrateful wife...
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India
When Russia launched a special military operation in Ukraine, the Indian government quickly launched Operation Ganga. This was not a military operation, and its purpose was not to supply weapons to Ukraine. It was an operation to free 500 Indian students who could not leave Ukraine.
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Since February, more than 22,000 people have been taken home.

LINK
for some time Ukraine kept foreigners

Boris Johnson came to India to persuade him to support Ukraine, he was politely shown where the door was.
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Armenia Georgia and Lithuania are not an indicator, powerful pro-American activities are going on in these countries.
Armenia has the largest US embassy in the entire CIS. Large in terms of space and staffing. See for yourself. By the way, because of this, there are constant coups and changes of governments, by the way, rallies are also taking place right now to overthrow the current government.
Lithuania (NATO member) is not an independent country at all, they make all decisions to the detriment of their economy.
Georgia - The Prime Minister says that on the eve of the Russian operation in Ukraine, Saakashvili was sent to Georgia to create another hotbed of tension for the Russian Federation
“If Saakashvili were in power today, there would be a war here, they would set up another Mariupol here. That was the intention. Why do you think Saakashvili came to Georgia? Saakashvili arrived with the sole purpose of destabilizing the country, revolution, massacres, including the assassinations of opposition leaders and a coup d'etat. This, of course, directly meant the beginning of a new war in the occupied country. Do you understand that we avoided such a dirty provocation?!" Garibashvili said.

LINK

For other countries, the situation is approximately the same. Look not with an American search engine. A lot of people from these countries live here in Russia. And we don't feel condemned by them.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
525 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:39 am to
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As compared to the heavy Russian censorship that has closed down all non-government news outlets?

She closed not "non-state news agencies", but those funded by other states and private organizations, such as Soros. Wikileaks, for example, is not prohibited by anyone here.
And in the USA directly freedom of speech, is there a RT? Do not shut up the mouth of the incumbent president? Social network giants do not introduce strict censorship of all users without exception? Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and others?
Do they not fire or harass journalists?
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And why are protesters against the war beaten and arrested? Even when just holding up a blank sheet of paper.


Are you writing about Assange now?
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
525 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:41 am to
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Sure, are you talking about the 2nd Amendment that gives us the right to gun ownership?

Yes, that's what I meant. I don't understand the meaning of this at all. I think most Russians living in Russia
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
54299 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 7:18 am to
Ruff, do you know what is going on here?
LINK
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 7:40 am
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
525 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 7:35 am to
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Ruff, do you know what is going on here? NSFW tweet for some as there are dead bodies.

This is an attempt by the surviving "Azovites" to fight out of the cellars in the encirclement near Mariupol.
I didn't see any dead people there.
Voice-over at the beginning of the video, as I understand it, the commander says to bandage the wounded Azov.
Then he forbids standing Russian servicemen to take things taken prisoner. Ie prohibits looting.
He constantly orders the prisoners lying down to lie down and not move, so as not to be provoked.
In general, these are the Azovites who yesterday demanded a ransom for the fact that they would give 15 civilians and tried to exchange citizens of their own country for food and medicine.

P.S.
You have a truncated video, the full one is on my link.
There, two groups of Azov people tried to get out of the encirclement
LINK
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 7:58 am
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6897 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:19 am to
Good morning Ruff, what do you want to know about the 2nd Amendment?

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights contained the 1st 10 amendments to the Constitution. These 10 original amendments and the following 17 that have been passed over the years proclaim the rights of the people of the United States.

The 2nd Amendment states (bolding added by me): A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This language says that every American citizen has the right keep and own firearms and that the state (Government) cannot infringe upon this right. This is the basis for widespread gun ownership in America.

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
The Second Amendment protects the individual right to keep and bear arms. The concept of such a right existed within English common law long before the enactment of the Bill of Rights.[100] First codified in the English Bill of Rights of 1689 (but there only applying to Protestants), this right was enshrined in fundamental laws of several American states during the Revolutionary era, including the 1776 Virginia Declaration of Rights and the Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776. Long a controversial issue in American political, legal, and social discourse, the Second Amendment has been at the heart of several Supreme Court decisions.

*In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the Court ruled that "[t]he right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second Amendment means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government."[101]

*In United States v. Miller (1939), the Court ruled that the amendment "[protects arms that had a] reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia".[102]

*In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment "codified a pre-existing right" and that it "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home" but also stated that "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose".[103]

*In McDonald v. Chicago (2010),[104] the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[105]

Ruff, What else do you want to know?
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
525 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:40 am to
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I'm not sure how familiar you are with the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights contained the 1st 10 amendments to the Constitution. These 10 original amendments and the following 17 that have been passed over the years proclaim the rights of the people of the United States.

The 2nd Amendment states (bolding added by me): A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Of course, I read Wikipedia. If it was clear to me, I wouldn't be asking this question.
I do not understand what is declared in the US Constitution and reality.
Specifically, freedom of speech and freedom of possession of weapons.
I will put aside the question about freedom of speech, it is scandalous and politicized. But I would like to understand about weapons from the lips of the Americans, and not our politicians.
What I didn’t understand, if there is a weapon and it was declared that in order to protect the home / property, just like the weapon of citizens, this is a signal from the authorities that citizens can change this government if the government goes against the freedoms of these citizens and turns into despotism. Honestly, when I read this, I was delighted!
But what I have seen in recent years, BLM organizes pogroms, set fire to housing and businesses of citizens, sometimes it even came to murder :( Well, at least not a lot.
About the presidential election, in general, there is a break in the pattern in my head ....
In fact, the whole world watched live as the elections were stolen. But this is not our business, this is a purely internal affair of the Americans.
With regards to the question of weapons, why, having pistols and rifles from citizens, in an amount greater than that of the entire planet put together, this same weapon has never been used as prescribed in the constitution?
Or rather, for millions of possessions by them in adult men, only one single case, and then with a teenager, who was then dragged through the courts?
It turns out that Americans can only buy weapons, thereby ensuring profits for weapons campaigns and, at the same time, not using them for their intended purpose? That is, you can buy a pistol / rifle and immediately throw it away / rust in the garage / scrap metal and other equivalent things, anything except protecting your rights and business.
I honestly can't understand.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6897 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:02 am to
Focusing on the 2nd Amendment questions (there are probably people who can respond to this much more eloquently than me)

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What I didn’t understand, if there is a weapon and it was declared that in order to protect the home / property, just like the weapon of citizens, this is a signal from the authorities that citizens can change this government if the government goes against the freedoms of these citizens and turns into despotism. Honestly, when I read this, I was delighted!


Yes, most of us agree with you that this is the intent.

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With regards to the question of weapons, why, having pistols and rifles from citizens, in an amount greater than that of the entire planet put together, this same weapon has never been used as prescribed in the constitution?


There are countless examples of gun owners using their weapons in the exact manner prescribed in the Amendment. The problem is that the dishonest media doesn't like to talk about those. The media only focus on the instances where it makes gun owners look bad.

In the US, if someone breaks into your house or truly threatens your life, you can shoot them. This happens all the time. Occasionally, a local prosecutor will take exception and prosecute the gun owner, mainly to make a name for themselves. The gun owners win almost all of these cases as the juries typically won't convict a person legitimately defending themselves.

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Or rather, for millions of possessions by them in adult men, only one single case, and then with a teenager, who was then dragged through the courts?


Kyle Rittenhouse should never have been prosecuted, to begin with. It was a case of self-defense. But it also occurred during BLM protests in a political environment that was very much against him. The jury acquitted him. While he shouldn't have ever been prosecuted, the legal system did its job and found him not guilty.

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It turns out that Americans can only buy weapons, thereby ensuring profits for weapons campaigns and, at the same time, not using them for their intended purpose? You can buy a pistol/rifle and immediately throw it away / rust in the garage/scrap metal and other equivalent things, anything except protecting your rights and business.


I disagree. We buy guns, and we shoot guns recreationally and for hunting. We all hope and pray we never have to use them to protect our lives, but if we do, I know the law is clearly on my side. Americans are free to buy and use their guns however they want as long as they don't endanger others or commit any crimes. If you are convicted of a felony crime, you no longer have the right to possess firearms.
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 9:05 am
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6897 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:30 am to
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6897 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:42 am to
The switchblade is on the battlefield now.

https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1522554774662660097
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:00 am to
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Kyle Rittenhouse should never have been prosecuted, to begin with. It was a case of self-defense. But it also occurred during BLM protests in a political environment that was very much against him. The jury acquitted him. While he shouldn't have ever been prosecuted, the legal system did its job and found him not guilty.


IIRC, it was a George Soros DA that decided Rittenhouse would be prosecuted. No sane DA would have brought charges to trial.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:19 am to
Honestly, that looks like a video game.

It sucks we can barely tel these days haha
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19745 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 12:41 pm to
[quote]Supposed video of the ship burning.

LINK ] that looks like its from a video game to me
Posted by MilwaukeeKosherDills
Member since Aug 2021
383 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:09 pm to
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She closed not "non-state news agencies", but those funded by other states and private organizations, such as Soros. Wikileaks, for example, is not prohibited by anyone here.
And in the USA directly freedom of speech, is there a RT? Do not shut up the mouth of the incumbent president? Social network giants do not introduce strict censorship of all users without exception? Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and others?
Do they not fire or harass journalists?
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And why are protesters against the war beaten and arrested? Even when just holding up a blank sheet of paper.

Are you writing about Assange now?


She? What she?

Please do not deny the obvious fact that criticism of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is being suppressed, and often violently suppressed, by the organs of Russian state security.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
525 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 5:00 pm to
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She? What she?

Please do not deny the obvious fact that criticism of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is being suppressed, and often violently suppressed, by the organs of Russian state security.

I do not understand.
First, here is a list of media outlets that are opposition and receive funding from abroad.
LINK /
If any media violate the law, they are taken action.
Secondly, in order to blame someone for something, you yourself must not be involved in such a thing.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2687 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 7:52 pm to
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If any media violate the law, they are taken action.


Thankfully the Russians are making use of VPNs to access information.

Daily downloads in Russia of the 10 most popular VPNs jumped from below 15,000 just before the war to as many as 475,000 in March. As of this week, downloads were continuing at a rate of nearly 300,000 a day, according to data compiled for the Washington Post by the analytics firm Apptopia, which relies on information from apps, publicly available data and an algorithm to come up with estimates.

How millions of Russians are tearing holes in the Digital Iron Curtain
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19549 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:59 pm to
Casualty figures for the DNR

1,635 KIA
6,565 wounded

They have 44,000 soldiers in active service. They called up their reservists at the beginning of the war, I don’t know how many they have though.
Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
3260 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:12 pm to
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The switchblade is on the battlefield now.


The Bottom Line

On one level, it is completely understandable that Zelensky would aggressively seek heavy weapons for his forces. But combat fundamentals aren’t impressed by emotions, the rightness of one’s cause, or how earnestly one side may desire a given outcome. If heavy weapons are inserted into the war zone piecemeal, sent to the front lines as they come in, they will add only marginal capacity to the units engaged at the front.

More importantly, it will be many weeks or months before meaningful volumes of heavy weapons could be delivered to Ukrainian combat units. Choosing to train new combat units from scratch, out of contact, would give Ukraine a better chance at producing a battle force of sufficient strength that it would have a chance to expel Russian forces, but doing so would take, in all likelihood, nine months to a year from now – and its not clear Ukrainian troops currently under fire could hold the line that long.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6897 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:15 pm to
Interesting, where did you get these #'s.

If these are good numbers then 8.1K have been KIA or WIA, that's 18.6% of their manpower out of the fight.
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