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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:54 pm to
That's great. Lol. Just as legal as Putin's referendum.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:56 pm to
Seems like IF Nato joined the war that's where the initial fighting would be. Then Belarus. After that Russia has no European puppet.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:03 pm to
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The largest producer of raw lithium in the world is Australia. 5 times the amount of china. There are no resources in the world isolated to just China. Now refining capacity and finished product is like 75 percent. But refineries and processes can be built.


A S. Korean company has a patent on recycling Li Ion batteries. It is rather simple, shred the batteries, pass the material through a rotary calciner (indirect fired) separate the contents (plastic burns up as fuel) the run the lithium through a caustic wash to deionize it and like new ready for battery factory but needs to be ionized first. Recovery of cobalt makes a shiitepile of money,
even if small profit made on lithium. Deoending on licensing fee to patent holder, a facility should pay off capital investment and be making pure profit in a year.

I had the opportunity to do something similar as in recycling carpet. You would think political leaders in BTR would want the world's largest recycling plant especially the ones who talk about sustainability and zero waste. All they know is cocktail party type talk and actually nothing more. We could get zero support from them and the patent holder wouldn't let us go ahead. The plant would have paid off in a year, zero waste, the only thing was to adjust the pH of the water used in the process due pet urine in used carpet. It would have come from California to Florida.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:07 pm to
That sounds interesting, have they picked a location?
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:08 pm to
Well.. that's sort of how the political board works.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:19 pm to
That's a $50,000 reward for the crew. Ukraine is paying $50k per APC and $100k per tank. Hell you get a $1,000,000 USD for a fighter jet or naval vessel.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:28 pm to
In S. Korea already being done. The problem here is not enough to recycle yet to make it worthwhile
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:29 pm to
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That's a $50,000 reward for the crew. Ukraine is paying $50k per APC and $100k per tank


I think that is several years of pay for each of the tank crew.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:41 pm to
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Kadyrov is 5'6" just like Putin


My namesake was 5'6" yet littleman complexes are forever attributed to him.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:48 pm to
Downing Ukraine is one thing. But now you're shite talking the United States?

The world is a better place with a weak Russia and a dead Putin. If this war gives us that its worth hundreds of billions
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:54 pm to
I just read about a cell phone recycling plant in Austin. It connects lithium, cobalt, gold and nickel from phones.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:05 pm to
I love the USA but there is going to have to come a time when we really sit down and think about what it would mean to actually go to war with the country that makes a massive percentage of all of our consumer goods, pharmaceuticals, finished products, etc. It would be very painful for China to not have access to the American consumer, but it would be catastrophic for us to be cut off from Chinese products. It's very simple. We DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY to produce the manufactured goods which we NEED TO SURVIVE. We need China more than they need us. That is why China will take Taiwan whenever they decide to do it. Because we can't stop them no matter what we tell ourselves.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:12 pm to
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manufactured goods which we NEED TO SURVIVE.

Which cheap arse made in china good is required for survival? Convenience sure, survival
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:18 pm to
How about pharmaceuticals, medical supplies, tech goods, tools, fasteners, industrial chemicals, electrical components, metals, automotive components and supplies…
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:20 pm to
With the exception of pharmaceuticals, all convenience items. Large swaths of that industry are convenience items too though.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:25 pm to
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pharmaceuticals
I've seen Chinese pharmaceuticals mentioned a few times, but I can't find any info that says they produce so much that the rest of the world couldn't pick up the slack. Is there something specific made there?
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tools, fasteners
Honestly the bang for the buck here is not great. The world would probably save costs long term by using quality stuff.
Posted by Milo of Croton
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:25 pm to
Those are not convenience items.. If you believe so then you don't understand how complex the modern supply chain is.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:32 pm to
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I just read about a cell phone recycling plant in Austin. It connects lithium, cobalt, gold and nickel from phones.


The biggest issue with any recycling is collection and transportation cost. An uncle made a killing without a high school diploma in plastics recycling beginning in the late 1950's. He invented the first plastic boat paddle on a bar napkin. It all started when he was a clerk at a motor freight depot and no one worked on weekends. Plastic pellets had spilled from a truck, insurance paid the claim. The depot manager allowed him to use the place on weekends to clean it up. A water heater, a trough that the pellets traveled down (floating) with a piece of angle iron that they had to dip under and skimmed off an oils. Then a washing machine spin cycle to lose any excess water. He sold the pellets to the customer from the bill of lading.

By the late 60's he had three plants and figured out that there was a 3 year cycle for profit/loss. He sold the plants to willing buyers wanting to get in the biz and self financed. He sold just after peak of cycle with investment groups being doctors and lawyers. He would end up foreclosing as the market was just turning back upwards.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:34 pm to
We can make all of those things here in the USA better and less expensive but for some really stupid regs if patent has expired and generic. Many are already made here but by multinationals who sell intermediates to themselves downstream to keep off patent product lines profitable.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:38 pm to
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I've seen Chinese pharmaceuticals mentioned a few times, but I can't find any info that says they produce so much that the rest of the world couldn't pick up the slack. Is there something specific made there?


Many were made in Puerto Rico just 10-15 years ago.

In the late 1980's the center of the world for condoms, and surgical gloves was Dothan, AL Late 80's is also when those manfacturing lines began to be moved to Asia. Latex was imported from Africa to Mobile, AL.
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