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re: Rape Kits Being Used to Identify Women As Suspects In Criminal Cases
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:12 am to Jcorye1
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:12 am to Jcorye1
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I'm all for stopping it for everyone, but that's not going to happen, so why should rape be different? If a man or woman volunteers their DNA to clear them from one crime, and they hit on another, do they get the same protection? frick no.
IMO, the victim's DNA should not be stored in a database when gathered in a rape kit. There is no need to store it. There is need to store the perpetrator's DNA.
ETA: Giving up your DNA privacy should not be a requirement in reporting a rape.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 10:14 am
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:16 am to spslayto
This is a fourth amendment rights violation
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:17 am to spslayto
Can your DNA plead the fifth amendment kind of like the bullshite seizure laws that charge the money with criminal activity?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:20 am to spslayto
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:23 am to Aubie Spr96
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You want rapes to go unreported? Because this is how you do it.
What about the hooker who murdered a john while robbing him and was only caught when rape kit DNA tied her to crime? Does that man's family get denied resolution to protect the murderer?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:23 am to Epic Cajun
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ETA: Giving up your DNA privacy should not be a requirement in reporting a rape.
Then if I'm falsely accused of a crime and court ordered to give DNA for that one crime, it should not be tested for other crimes.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:39 am to martiansgohome
quote:Maybe. But if the woman doesn't do a rape kit because of these practices, then a murderer and a rapist remain free.
What about the hooker who murdered a john while robbing him and was only caught when rape kit DNA tied her to crime? Does that man's family get denied resolution to protect the murderer?
And maybe the free rapist's next victim won't deserve to be raped.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:44 am to Korkstand
As much as I think this needs to be a 2 way street, Victims DNA shouldn't be cataloged without their consent.
Now, if its collected on trash, or 23 and me, or some other means I'm 100% for it.
Now, if its collected on trash, or 23 and me, or some other means I'm 100% for it.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:46 am to Korkstand
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Maybe. But if the woman doesn't do a rape kit because of these practices, then a murderer and a rapist remain free.
And maybe the free rapist's next victim won't deserve to be raped.
The counter argument is she is making the choice not to take a rape kit, yet that poor dead bastard has no choice in the matter.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:48 am to spslayto
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I don't know...just a google image search.
Thant is not boudin. Its just looks like pork sausage
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:48 am to patendedgmf
quote:This bitch is cataloging millions of people via their DNA, then at the end he busts her using DDG so Google can't track her.
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen is about this. Veritasium -Catching the Golden State Killer
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:49 am to LordSnow
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Now, if its collected on trash, or 23 and me, or some other means I'm 100% for it.
Are they not presumed to be innocent too? People are being emotional as hell here and fine with the police trampling all over the 4th, but as soon as "victim" is tossed in suddenly its an issue.
DNA should be a court order, should be insanely narrow purview, should be destroyed after trial, and not catalogued. Once you get outside of those boundaries, screw the loop holes, everyone should be in the mud.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:52 am to Korkstand
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Maybe. But if the woman doesn't do a rape kit because of these practices, then a murderer and a rapist remain free.
And maybe the free rapist's next victim won't deserve to be raped.
Nobody said anything about deserve but if you're saying that then for the sake of this scenario we're considering this from a woman who has factually committed a crime?
If so, this woman has a choice -- bring neither to justice, or bring both to justice. Why is this a dilemma for me?
I 100% see the problem with privacy/procedural issues if they're blanket testing all rape kits and I have zero trust for cops. But in the particular scenario above, why is this a dilemma for me?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:53 am to Jcorye1
quote:And the counter to that is these methods of law enforcement will create new rape victims that didn't have to be victims.
The counter argument is she is making the choice not to take a rape kit, yet that poor dead bastard has no choice in the matter.
Again, we have to ask whether the goal is to protect the innocent or punish the guilty, because those two goals can be at odds with one another.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:56 am to Korkstand
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And the counter to that is these methods of law enforcement will create new rape victims that didn't have to be victims.
And the counter to that is not doing these methods of law enforcement will create new victims that didn't have to be victims. In this case it was "only" a felony property crime, but I'm not going to assume the crimes will always be "lesser" than rape. It goes both ways.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:00 am to spslayto
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quote:
You want rapes to go unreported? Because this is how you do it.
Only if the women are criminals themselves I guess. But I'm not saying it is right or wrong. But it is interesting.
It is interesting. The women having DNA associated with a previous crime end up getting raped by someone who likely has a prior criminal record. It seems like being a criminal and choosing to hang out with other criminals makes them more likely to be a victim of rape than a non criminal. I am not saying they deserve to be raped, but if you're choosing to hang with criminals/thugs, you should expect to be a victim of some crime at some point in time.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:01 am to efrad
quote:Is that not the justification used by those who support the practice of using a victim's DNA against them? Someone earlier called it karma. Doesn't that mean it was deserved? Was that poster "nobody"?
Nobody said anything about deserve
quote:Because this method of law enforcement encourages bringing neither to justice, which generates more future victims.
this woman has a choice -- bring neither to justice, or bring both to justice. Why is this a dilemma for me?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:07 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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I have no problem with this.
Hopefully you have no problem the next time you give blood or get lab work done if they fill an extra vile to send on over to the police department so that they can store your DNA and compare it to crime evidence.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:07 am to BluegrassBelle
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And then rapist will be encouraged to target women like her knowing she won’t report.
this is the biggest problem with it being used to ID the victims as a suspect in other crimes. The question is what crime would the victim be involved in where this would be warranted? certainly murder yes?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:10 am to efrad
quote:And why not? What percentage of rape kits are from women? Damn near all of them, right? And what percentage of rapes and murders are committed by women? Very few, right? Women are far, FAR more likely to commit "lesser" crimes than rape or murder.
And the counter to that is not doing these methods of law enforcement will create new victims that didn't have to be victims. In this case it was "only" a felony property crime, but I'm not going to assume the crimes will always be "lesser" than rape. It goes both ways.
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