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The new brace law or whatever.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:05 pm
Wanted to make a newer thread because the other was discussing what the law was actually doing, but I wanted to see if anyone smarter than I could tell us if you were going to be grandfathered in if you already owned it? Or if its gonna be a tax stamp thing or just felon overnight bullshite?
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 8:07 pm
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:18 pm to BorrisMart
They will not be grandfathered. They’ll be illegal.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:20 pm to bbvdd
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They will not be grandfathered. They’ll be illegal.
That is what I was afraid of. Pathetic. Thanks baw.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:42 pm to bbvdd
Not necessarily. First, this is all a "proposed" rule, and nothing has taken effect. Second, read below.....
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The first choice is turning the guns into the ATF. The ATF says this choice would be at “no-cost” to gun owners. This move is gun confiscation. The second choice would be to install a barrel that more than 16 inches long. The third choice is to pay a $200 tax stamp and register it as an SBR. The final option would be to modify the brace and not sell it to anyone in the future.
The document gives some alternatives. These alternatives include making the rules just guidance. That chance would mean that they would not have the force of law. Other alternatives include grandfathering all firearms with braces or forgiveness of the tax stamp fee.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 9:11 pm to dragginass
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dragginass
Good to know. I can't find much info, as you noted they are proposed rules. Just trying to figure out if its worth getting a few before hand if you were to be grandfathered in.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 9:22 pm to BorrisMart
An SBR fee waiver would be amazing if those are the only options. I still think it is bullshite and unenforceable and that people should not comply.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 9:39 pm to BorrisMart
Rule is arbitrary depending upon the president and political climate. Who wants to be the test case?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:18 am to dragginass
quote:hasn't taken effect yet, but I'm reading online that the rule change will go into effect this summer. This as of Jan 30; it's under the radar, but a couple sites have stated that the rule has been put out on the Federal Register site. Supposedly to take effect this summer.
Not necessarily. First, this is all a "proposed" rule, and nothing has taken effect.
quote:Those will be the options, and removing the brace seems to be the best choice of the bunchquote:
Second, read below.....
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The first choice is turning the guns into the ATF. The ATF says this choice would be at “no-cost” to gun owners. This move is gun confiscation. The second choice would be to install a barrel that more than 16 inches long. The third choice is to pay a $200 tax stamp and register it as an SBR. The final option would be to modify the brace and not sell it to anyone in the future.
quote:If you explore this, all these alternatives have been rejected.
The document gives some alternatives. These alternatives include making the rules just guidance. That chance would mean that they would not have the force of law. Other alternatives include grandfathering all firearms with braces or forgiveness of the tax stamp fee.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:30 am to dragginass
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The third choice is to pay a $200 tax stamp and register it as an SBR.
Can you imagine the backup when that starts? It is already bad.
I was actually of putting together a SBR and looking into the tax process. Maybe I should move faster on it than I want.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:43 am to Junky
Yeah if the atf was actually efficient at processing tax stamps I would have many items by now. As it stands now you are basically looking at a year to process
Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:50 am to Junky
At this point I am just putting on the rifle stock, if they want to make it an SBR whether its braced or not. Will not be paying the government a dime
Posted on 2/16/22 at 7:50 am to adam330
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At this point I am just putting on the rifle stock, if they want to make it an SBR whether its braced or not. Will not be paying the government a dime
Good point, I guess its really not worth the trouble. I was wanting to grab another and was considering the brace if it was going to be grandfathered in but as I don't already have anything that doesn't have a regular stock I might as well not frick with it. Stupid rule.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 7:57 am to bayoudude
They do SBRs in like a month
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:14 am to Aquila
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1st: there is no law, it's ATF making things up arbitrarily
Yeah I'm with you on that. I should have said "proposed ban" or whatever it is the atf does.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 12:15 pm to Aquila
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no worries, I wasn't nit-picking your post just stating unequivocally that Congress hasn't passed such a law and ATF makes stuff up as they go along; even the wording of this proposed rule change is highly subject to interpretation at the whim of the agent at the time of encounter. It's even plausible that the same agent could judge differently on two identical situations at different points in time.
Oh I knew you weren't. But yeah I glanced over some press about it and what I could find of whatever supposed documents of it that were released (on here) and other sites and that was why I was asking because I couldn't figure out what they were planning on doing with outstanding ones. Tax stamps seem excessive but making someone a felon overnight is just absurd.
During the Clinton ban years weren't people grandfathered in? I was too young at the time to really remember.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 2:56 pm to dragginass
Disclaimer: I'm in the early learning stages w/ my AR "pistol". I'm still asking a lot of questions. Not trolling here, just trying to understand this complex issue. Regarding some of the comments here on alternatives for dealing w/ the fallout of the guidance if it becomes law.
If the gun still had a barrel <16", wouldn't the gun then become a short barreled rifle if the "pistol" brace is "modified" into a conventional rifle stock??
What does "not selling it to anyone in the future" have to do w/ an AR 15 pistol's legality?
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The final option would be to modify the brace and not sell it to anyone in the future.
If the gun still had a barrel <16", wouldn't the gun then become a short barreled rifle if the "pistol" brace is "modified" into a conventional rifle stock??
What does "not selling it to anyone in the future" have to do w/ an AR 15 pistol's legality?
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/16/22 at 3:57 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I'm pretty ignorant of a lot of the AR rules as I am more of a traditionalists and don't have a ton of them or anything. But if you have a really long barrel on one wtf does it matter if it has a brace lol.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 4:06 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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f the gun still had a barrel <16", wouldn't the gun then become a short barreled rifle if the "pistol" brace is "modified" into a conventional rifle stock??
That is correct. Only instance where is would not be is if it's a 14.5" barrel with a pinned and welded muzzle break what get's it to 16"
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What does "not selling it to anyone in the future" have to do w/ an AR 15 pistol's legality?
If you own a SBR that you do not have a stamp for, it is illegal. Selling it in no way factors into it.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 4:06 pm to BorrisMart
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But if you have a really long barrel on one wtf does it matter if it has a brace lol.
It doesn't at all. Only if it's less than 16" barrel length
Posted on 2/16/22 at 4:07 pm to BorrisMart
i am of the opinion (unpopular here i realize) that a pistol with the brace extended is an SBR. you can argue about whether or nor an SBR should be NFA regulated or not, but at the moment it is.
i have an uzi model B with a 10.5" barrel. the stock is collapsible thus it can be fired either as a pistol or a carbine. it is considered an SBR and i had to pay the tax stamp for it to be legal.
an AR pistol with a brace is no different
i have an uzi model B with a 10.5" barrel. the stock is collapsible thus it can be fired either as a pistol or a carbine. it is considered an SBR and i had to pay the tax stamp for it to be legal.
an AR pistol with a brace is no different
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