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re: Are there any actual baseball fans that care about the steroid use?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 7:59 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Posted on 1/25/22 at 7:59 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
In 2001 Barry Bonds hit 73 home runs. I’d bet that he hit 50 or more off of pitchers who were also using PEDs.
Let’s not forget this was the era that for the first time produced middle relief pitchers who were throwing mid to upper 90s mph fastballs. The pitchers were juicing also.
Let’s not forget this was the era that for the first time produced middle relief pitchers who were throwing mid to upper 90s mph fastballs. The pitchers were juicing also.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:01 pm to sta4ever
I don’t think anyone knows at this point. The only qualification for admission to the hall seems to be how much BBWAA arse did you kiss.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:02 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Nope
Don’t care
Bonds and Clemens are all time greats
Don’t care
Bonds and Clemens are all time greats
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:14 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:20 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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They’ve appointed themselves gatekeepers of the hall and only they have the power to grant you access.
I’m pretty sure it was the Hall of Fame that appointed them as gatekeepers of the Hall of Fame.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:21 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
One here. None deserve to be in the HOF. NONE.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:24 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Curt Schilling should also be in the hall
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:27 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Most baseball fans don't give a shite. Self-righteous journalists are the ones that care because they think it makes them relevant, like they're protecting the integrity of the game or some such nonsense.
This guy nails it.
If baseball fans knew the names of all the guys in the '90s and early '00s who were on steroids, they would be stunned.
MLB needs to come to grips with that. Before the steroids era, there was the cocaine era in the '70s and early '80s. Before that, the "greenies" amphetamines era.
In recent seasons, players are using steroids gummies and patches that clear their systems quickly.
Plus, how stupid is this? When MLB drug checkers planned a surprise visit, they would call the team's clubhouse manager and tell him to hold a parking space for them.
The clubhouse manager would tell the players, "Hey, surprise drug tests tomorrow."
Only baseball beats itself up over steroids. The NFL doesn't care. Football fans certainly don't care.
When an NFL player is suspended for performance enhancing substances, the fans all want to know when the guy will be back in the lineup.
When an MLB player tests positive, there's a segment of fans and media who want the "druggie" banned for life.
Not all the media are self-righteous and closed-minded about this. Didn't 66% of them vote FOR Bonds and Clemens?
The problem is the other 34% that wields their vote like a self-moralizing weapon.
But they already blew their right to complain by not investigating further and speaking up in the '90s and early '00s. So the media is complicit. They're all complicit -- Bud Selig, Tony LaRussa (both in the Hall) and everyone who suspected widespread steroids use in baseball, yet did nothing about it.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 8:29 pm to Wayne Campbell
The HOF provided them with an outline of what qualifies a player for the hall and granted them authority make decisions based on that. The BBWAA has abused that authority and used the morality clause for their own self righteousness.
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:42 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Are there any actual baseball fans that care about the steroid use?
frick Barry Bonds, Chipper Jones didn't use them and he couldn't beat the Braves without them is probably why he went to them
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:45 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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He was already a 3X MVP and had 445 HR's before he started using.
You don't know jack shite as usual
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:53 pm to nicholastiger
Just postponed the inevitable.
PEDs are wrong.
There is a right.
There is a wrong.
Even with a corrupt, illegitimate, Demorat administration.
PEDs are wrong.
There is a right.
There is a wrong.
Even with a corrupt, illegitimate, Demorat administration.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 11:03 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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don’t personally know any.
Stop hanging around meatheads at the gym.
Sorry,I'm not into chemically induced freaks cheating the sport
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:04 am to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:After all your posts this seems to apply to you.
The HOF provided them with an outline of what qualifies a player for the hall and granted them authority make decisions based on that. The BBWAA has abused that authority and used the morality clause for their own self righteousness.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:54 am to TigerOnTheMountain
On an LSU-related note . . .
You do realize, don't you, that there are fans (especially in other college baseball towns) who think the Bertman-era gorilla ball teams were all on steroids?
They point to the home run numbers and the bodies.
The other LSU point is that if the baseball writers are going to interpret "cheating" as grounds for eternal banishment, what will they do when the day comes to judge the Houston Astros, particularly Jose Altuve and our boy Alex Bregman?
(We'll get a hint of that next year when Carlos Beltran comes onto the ballot).
You do realize, don't you, that there are fans (especially in other college baseball towns) who think the Bertman-era gorilla ball teams were all on steroids?
They point to the home run numbers and the bodies.
The other LSU point is that if the baseball writers are going to interpret "cheating" as grounds for eternal banishment, what will they do when the day comes to judge the Houston Astros, particularly Jose Altuve and our boy Alex Bregman?
(We'll get a hint of that next year when Carlos Beltran comes onto the ballot).
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:02 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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The HOF provided them with an outline of what qualifies a player for the hall and granted them authority make decisions based on that. The BBWAA has abused that authority and used the morality clause for their own self righteousness.
So the Hall of Fame appointed BBWAA as the gatekeepers of the Hall of Fame, as I said.
If the Hall of Fame has an issue with how BBWAA is exercising their authority, then the Hall of Fame can strip BBWAA of that authority.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:16 am to Wayne Campbell
Sportswriters are a joke. 264 lb players running 4.5 40s in the NFL and not a one of them would dare offend the Shield by raising a peep. Let one Dominican shortstop piss hot on a whiz quiz and they all go into the Aunt Pittypat vapors about the sanctity of baseball.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:23 am to TigerOnTheMountain
Yes and no.
I don’t t like the fact that they cheated, but I I derstnd why some did.
If I was a good clean MLB player and saw so many others using PEDs then realized I was going to lose my job and millions of dollars to someone not as good as me but had inflated numbers due to PEDs, I’d be really tempted to start using in order to keep my job.
I don’t t like the fact that they cheated, but I I derstnd why some did.
If I was a good clean MLB player and saw so many others using PEDs then realized I was going to lose my job and millions of dollars to someone not as good as me but had inflated numbers due to PEDs, I’d be really tempted to start using in order to keep my job.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:25 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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There’s no question they did. Baseball was all but dead until the home run chase between McGwire and Sosa.
And I don’t believe for one second that MLB didn’t know exactly what they were doing and kept their mouths shut for this very reason
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