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Best Home Standby Generator?

Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:42 pm
Posted by Unit225
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Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:42 pm
Whats everyone’s recommendation? TIA
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49117 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:46 pm to
I recommend a much cheaper portable generator, around 12,500-15,000 watts that you can hook up via a n inlet box whenever there’s an extended outage. It’ll be way cheaper and you can still run almost everything except the central ac - just not all at the same time. This was my set up during after Ida and it worked flawlessly with the exception of an impatient and sometimes ungrateful wife . I’ve heard nothing but bad things about those whole house generators.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 7:47 pm
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Member since Aug 2004
48799 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:46 pm to
No idea what the best is. But a buddy of mine is a electrician and installs them sometimes. He says do not get a Generac. He claims they have more problems than any other brand.
Posted by OK Roughneck
The Sooner State
Member since Aug 2021
17353 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:48 pm to
I have a Generac 24kw. Just got it a couple months ago and just got the operation monitoring app set up today. Hopefully I made a good choice but time will tell.
Posted by Dulacrat
Member since Jan 2021
1515 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:48 pm to
Cummins whole home generator. Spend the extra money if you can for a water-cooled version.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48799 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

I recommend a much cheaper portable generator, around 12,500-15,000 watts that you can hook up via a n inlet box whenever there’s an extended outage. It’ll be way cheaper and you can still run almost everything except the central ac - just not all at the same time. This was my set up during after Ida and it worked flawlessly with the exception of an impatient and sometimes ungrateful wife . I’ve heard nothing but bad things about those whole house generators.




Have buddy who ran his whole house including his central air with a Ryobi 8500. He has a soft start on his house.
Posted by Btrtigerfan
Disgruntled employee
Member since Dec 2007
23475 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:49 pm to
I misspoke it's Cummins low RPM.

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This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 7:51 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49117 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

He says do not get a Generac. He claims they have more problems than any other brand.

I’ve heard the same thing but only in regards to the whole house generators. I have multiple Generac brand things and have never had a single problem with any of them. My portable is a Generac as well and it worked flawlessly, started on the first try every single time after Ida for 12 straight days. It ran probably 18 hours a day each of those days. Changed the oil about five or six times, of course. Generac is a great brand just not for the whole house generators.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23016 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:49 pm to
Kohler, Generac is for poors
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49117 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

Have buddy who ran his whole house including his central air with a Ryobi 8500. He has a soft start on his house.

I’ve heard about the soft start things but I have nowhere near the size of balls required to run an entire central ac unit on an 8500 watt generator with one
Posted by OK Roughneck
The Sooner State
Member since Aug 2021
17353 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

Kohler, Generac is for poors


Well shoot where were you guys with your advice back in Feb when I ordered this.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48799 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

I’ve heard the same thing but only in regards to the whole house generators.


that's right. As far as I know Generac makes good products not sure why their whole house units have so many issues.
Posted by dr_pootis
Metry
Member since Sep 2021
49 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:56 pm to
I did the same - 8kW running, 10kW starting capacity. If I managed loads correctly, I could start and run the central air. You want to put a soft start kit on your outside unit, but it's pretty cheap and easy to DIY. Much cheaper than a larger generator unit.

I would burn about half a gallon an hour that I ran the generator. I have a smaller 2kW inverter unit that I would run overnight to keep a smaller window unit on + the fridge. Burned maybe a gallon a day on the small one. Would only start the bigger machine from about noon-7/8PM to cool the whole house down, make dinner, etc. Didn't want to run the large one 24/7 cause it's loud as shite and I have close by neighbors.

On the large unit, I did some good ole fashioned redneck engineering to wire it in.. added a 30A breaker to my panel and ran some 8/4 SOOW cord from the panel to the generator. Had to float the neutral on the generator to prevent GFI from tripping. Physical lockout/tagout on the main the whole duration of the outage. When running the small one, I just ran a heavy extension cord in through a window.

Can't say I recommend, it was a pain in the arse. Would obviously much prefer a whole home standby unit, but it's simply not in the budget right now. If I were to go that route, I would look for a liquid cooled unit. air cooled engines just don't work great in the south Louisiana heat following a storm. I would argue liquid cooled is a lot more important than brand. And being familiar with the machine, how to do basic repairs, and having parts on hand is more important than anything else.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18863 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 7:58 pm to
I generally recommend Cummins or Kohler. Cummins seems to have the best cabinets, better build quality and layout for servicing. Generac gets a lot of hate and I think they are like the Goodman A/C of generators in that if they are installed properly and serviced they will be just fine, thing is they need to be well installed because the generator housings are generally not as well made and they put some of the low-voltage circuitry that starts and monitors the generator low in the cabinet. I've seen several instances where a Generac unit failed to start during a power outage because ants had built a mound around that area and shorted something out. I have some well-to-do clients that had a 24kW Generac with all the bells and whistles installed two days ago, the contractor did an excellent job but it took almost 5 months to get the unit in and installed.

Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48799 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

I’ve heard about the soft start things but I have nowhere near the size of balls required to run an entire central ac unit on an 8500 watt generator with one


It doesn't take balls I am not a electrician so someone could explain it better. Basically it takes a big surge to start a central air compressor but not very much to keep it running. The soft start to my understanding delays the start and builds up enough charge to start the unit. There is also a hard start that can be installed that will also work but it is alittle more stressful on your A/C unit. Hard start cost about 75 bucks, soft start cost about 350 ( no pun intended )
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 8:01 pm
Posted by dr_pootis
Metry
Member since Sep 2021
49 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 8:01 pm to
Yeah the soft start is a game changer. Fully recommend. Zero issues starting and running with an 8kW unit.
Posted by Irregardless
Member since Nov 2021
2237 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 8:01 pm to
I’ve found that the most economical route is my parents’ Generac. And my momma cooks for us.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22190 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

He says do not get a Generac. He claims they have more problems than any other brand.


After Hurricane Ida I did some research on this and it concurs. Generac is in the volume busines - not quality and reliabilty.

I was looking at Kohler but never pulled the trigger.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48799 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

Yeah the soft start is a game changer. Fully recommend. Zero issues starting and running with an 8kW unit.




My AC went under water during Ida and will be replaced soon, it will have a soft start put on.
Posted by Art Vandelay
LOUISIANA
Member since Sep 2005
11410 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 8:05 pm to
I have a generac 17500. Gas guzzler but runs whole house. $3500.
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