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Posted on 12/20/21 at 7:54 am to
Posted by JL
Member since Aug 2006
3046 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 7:54 am to
I had a similar discounted trip, but they pretty much expect you to shoot something not on your discount list because it's not free for them to operate. I agree with the cost and comment about tipping. If you're flying to SA I would do more than just the hunt. Once you're there it's pretty cheap to do some other stuff. We went down to cape town for a few days and did the cape of good hope then drove over to Stellenbosch and dis wine country.
Posted by 44Bogger
Beauregard
Member since May 2014
161 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:35 am to
I spent most of 2004 in the Limpopo Province. Here is the good and bad.

There are 2 types of clients that hunt Africa. The once in a lifetime guys and the very wealthy that return every 12-24 months. You want to act like the latter. Tell them from the get-go that you think it's amazing there and you will be returning with your brother/dad/friend next year. If they think you will be a return customer you will be treated better. IF they assume you will never be back, they won't go the extra mile.

Bring some good leather gloves as gifts for the PH and staff. Something like the Deerskin Full Leather Light-Duty Driving Gloves. Maybe some Costa's for the PH. A nice gift up front might get you on that 60" Kudu he's been saving.

Don't buy a new rifle. If you have some .300 magnum that you have hunted with for years bring that. Try not to bring a 7mm magnum. As stated on their website, buy and read "the Perfect Shot". Also as stated, buy premium/bonded/heavy ammo. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX and such. Don't bring anything like a ballistic tip with a 1 piece inner lead core. Those don't penetrate. Also don't bring Trophy Bonded Bear Claw ammo. Those are made backwards. Use their shooting sticks. Don't bring any or a mono pod.

Looks like that place is run by Afrikaans people. So be prepared to not only have the staff talking in front of you in a foreign language but the white folk will be too.

Don't bring a large hunting knife. Also as in don't attempt to help any of the trackers do any cutting on any animal. Just let them do their job. You may be perfectly capable of doing 100% of the skinning and processing, now isn't the time and it won't get you any points with anyone.

Bring cargo shorts to wear and natural colored t shirts. But you will probably need pants for the evenings. During Africa winters it's cold at night and hot in the day. So if you can bear a chill in the morning don't worry about pants and you will be more comfortable the majority of the day. Just have a good jacket you can shed. Don't bring any camo. Sneakers are fine for the majority of the hunting. Bring some thin leather boots that are VERY broke in. Well that's if you are in shape and want to walk some. If you can't walk far without sweating then don't worry about the boots as they won't push you. Yes their website says "fair chase" but if you aren't in shape and or can't stalk quietly they will be pushing you to shoot from the truck.

Bring the best bino's you can afford. Swarovski, Leica or Zeiss. 8x42 if your eyes suck. 10x42 if they are good. Don't get the bra strap for them. Just a regular strap and wear is across your shoulder down to the other side of your body.

Photos: This is a big deal to me as it's what you will be able to share the easiest, some don't care as much. The PH might try to get in all your photos. Let him for the first couple with each animal then politely ask for one by yourself. Spend a minute to wash any blood off the critters mouth and stick the tongue back in. Tuck the legs under and hold the horns up with one hand. Don't prop it with a stick. Don't lay the rifle over it's body. Hold it up with your other hand or don't have it in the picture. Try to get in the sunlight with the sun in your face and get the grass out of the way. The trackers will all be carrying machetes "pangas" and will take care of that. Bring a Canon DSLR.

Yes get the taxidermy done there. Don't pay to shoot a zebra. Just buy a rug at the taxidermy place. If you get a good Gemsbuck or Kudu, spring for a pedestal mount with zebra skin inlays in the pedestal. Those look amazing.

As stated about the souvenirs, yes you will buy plenty. Bring something like a Army duffel bag that's collapsible. Use it to bring the souvenirs back.

Check your bung hole for ticks every night. This will make more sense when you see your first dead animal. The ticks carry a version of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever there. But you probably won't get it just being there a few days and it's not bad either. Don't worry about malaria.

Posted by JL
Member since Aug 2006
3046 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:36 am to
I remember when I called the place to ask about what to bring, I asked if I needed snake boots, he said these snakes will be biting way above the boots.
Posted by 44Bogger
Beauregard
Member since May 2014
161 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:01 am to
Yea a black mamba can bite you in the throat when you are standing.

But you will always be at least the 3rd in line when walking.

Tracker, then PH, then you.

There are small spitting cobras in that area but the "spit" can't kill you. Hell if it gets on your leg you would never even know it except for the small wet spot. It just blinds small rodents temporarily.
Posted by AutoYes_Clown
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2012
5181 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:44 am to
Congrats, that is going to be an amazing trip.

Looking at their pricelist, does anyone know what drives the wildly different prices? The prices in my head are no where near what's on their page. You can shoot two giraffes for cheaper than one crocodile. A (big) Cape Buffalo is almost same price as a male Lion. I would have thought Zebra would be one of the higher ones. The cheapest is a-hole Baboon.

Also some of the pose pictures have me rolling
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2726 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 2:47 pm to
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Are you committed to shoulder mounts? My neighbor and his wife go every year and he has a couple things mounted but a ton of euro mounts. They look incredible. He has them in every room and on his back porch
Yeah I think so, these are once in a lifetime animals that I'll never shoot again so probably opt for for the shoulder mounts. I tend to see euro mounts more for types of animals where I'll have multiple of the same rack.

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$1200 ~ $2000 airfare
$200 per day for PH Guide fees.
$250 tip to Tracker for trip.
$200 for the cook.
$100 each for lodge wait staff and housekeeping.
$100 for Skinners for entire trip
You take care of them, and they will take care of you.

You’ll spend approx. $500+ on souvenir gifts in town for family (wife & kids).


Good call on thinking of this. I'll add $750 to my $3250 and that will put me at $4000. I'm not including airfare since that will be free via CC points.

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Arrange to ship via surface transport. it will take 3-6 months but is way cheaper. Did that from Keyna. for 250 lbs. Getting an agent for US customs has good value also.


Yeah this is the stuff I have no idea on that I'd need to figure out.

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Your best bet and least expensive would be to have the taxidermy done there and shipped to the US. Helluva lot cheaper and they do quality work.
Yeah I was assuming getting it back here and having a local taxidermy would be cheaper, doesn't sound like the case. I'll have to contact the outfitter and get prices on shoulder mounts from the taxidermy they use.

Posted by nated14
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
880 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 3:12 pm to
They have a taxidermist list on their website. I won a hunt there at a DU auction that I’ll take in 2023 so thanks for the thread and info. I’ve talked with two people who went and both enjoyed the hell out of it and both said to ship the mounts back overseas
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
8772 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 3:13 pm to
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Looking at their pricelist, does anyone know what drives the wildly different prices?

PH's guide on a concession which vary in size and are measured in hectares. A 12,000 hectare concession is approximately 30,000 acres or 50 sq miles. If rifle hunting and stalking, you can easily walk 8-10 miles a day. You gotta be in shape and have a good pair of broken-in, comfortable boots.

The concession is managed according to the number of game species in a given year. If they have an abundance of impala, or warthogs the price goes down in order to cull a given quota. If they have a very limited number of Sable antelope, the price goes way up. Basically "supply and demand" in conjunction with how many animals need to be harvested during the season.

Go look up prices for a Bongo. Make sure you're sitting down. Leopards are also very pricey, and you have to book a 14-21 day trip. You sit in a blind in pitch black darkness all night waiting for the leopard to climb a tree and eat the bait. You can only shoot males so if it has NO balls, you can't shoot. I have friends that have been to Africa multiple times and have yet to kill a leopard. Once you go to the Dark Continent, that shite gets in your blood and you want to go back.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38907 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 3:18 pm to
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I have friends that have been to Africa multiple times and have yet to kill a leopard. Once you go to the Dark Continent, that shite gets in your blood and you want to go back.

i don't doubt that but i'll never "get" killing something like a leopard. i wouldn't be able to do it

the grass eaters need killin, the meat eaters not so much
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2726 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 3:41 pm to
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They have a taxidermist list on their website.
You're right, not sure how I missed that.

So shoulder mounting for a Kudu ($750), Gemsbuck ($680), Wildabeast ($680), and Impala ($480). I'll probably just get the skull to put on a shelf for the Warthog. That puts me up to $6550 for the trip including all meals and lodging, trophy fees, tips, and taxidermy fees.

Really just need to get an idea on what shipping and other fees will be (should be able to get that from Kuche) for the 4 mounts.
This post was edited on 12/20/21 at 3:44 pm
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10483 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 3:42 pm to
Very accurate post. This thread should get a sticky.
This post was edited on 12/20/21 at 3:43 pm
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
8772 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 3:51 pm to
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Really just need to get an idea on what shipping

Budget $1500 to crate and ship, another $500 for customs. Actual delivery and setting up in your house will be 9-12 months from when the animals were dropped off at taxi

add 10% to your figure just to be safe
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2726 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 4:04 pm to
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Budget $1500 to crate and ship, another $500 for customs. Actual delivery and setting up in your house will be 9-12 months from when the animals were dropped off at taxi

add 10% to your figure just to be safe
If that's the case I guess I'm looking at roughly $8500 for the trip all in, seems like a pretty good deal to me for a "once in a lifetime" safari hunt in Africa but I've honestly never priced out a trip like this so I may be off.

Everything I've seen from trip reports on other forums, youtube videos and pictures of the accommodations and facilities there at Kuche etc all look pretty top notch.
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
8772 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 5:18 pm to
another ballpark "guesstimate" when pricing Africa is to add the cost of your animals + airfare and multiply x 2.

3250 + 1750 = 5000 x 2 = $10,000

10,000 - 1750 = $8250 less the airfare charged to CC miles
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2726 posts
Posted on 12/21/21 at 9:10 am to
quote:

another ballpark "guesstimate" when pricing Africa is to add the cost of your animals + airfare and multiply x 2.

3250 + 1750 = 5000 x 2 = $10,000

10,000 - 1750 = $8250 less the airfare charged to CC miles
Lol well pretty damn spot on for my situation.
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2726 posts
Posted on 12/21/21 at 12:15 pm to
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There are 2 types of clients that hunt Africa. The once in a lifetime guys and the very wealthy that return every 12-24 months. You want to act like the latter. Tell them from the get-go that you think it's amazing there and you will be returning with your brother/dad/friend next year. If they think you will be a return customer you will be treated better. IF they assume you will never be back, they won't go the extra mile.
Good tip here I'll keep in mind.

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Bring some good leather gloves as gifts for the PH and staff. Something like the Deerskin Full Leather Light-Duty Driving Gloves. Maybe some Costa's for the PH. A nice gift up front might get you on that 60" Kudu he's been saving.
Good tip here as well, you talking about something like this Amazon Link?

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Don't buy a new rifle. If you have some .300 magnum that you have hunted with for years bring that. Try not to bring a 7mm magnum. As stated on their website, buy and read "the Perfect Shot". Also as stated, buy premium/bonded/heavy ammo. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX and such. Don't bring anything like a ballistic tip with a 1 piece inner lead core. Those don't penetrate. Also don't bring Trophy Bonded Bear Claw ammo. Those are made backwards. Use their shooting sticks. Don't bring any or a mono pod.
Yeah I have a buddy going on the trip who has already done some back and forth emailing with someone at Kuche and said they have guns and ammo you can use so you don't have to deal with the headache of importing and dealing with flying with a gun I'll probably just do that.

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Photos: This is a big deal to me as it's what you will be able to share the easiest, some don't care as much. The PH might try to get in all your photos. Let him for the first couple with each animal then politely ask for one by yourself. Spend a minute to wash any blood off the critters mouth and stick the tongue back in. Tuck the legs under and hold the horns up with one hand. Don't prop it with a stick. Don't lay the rifle over it's body. Hold it up with your other hand or don't have it in the picture. Try to get in the sunlight with the sun in your face and get the grass out of the way. The trackers will all be carrying machetes "pangas" and will take care of that. Bring a Canon DSLR.
Good notes here. I don't have a DSLR the best camera I have is a Sony A6000. Anyone familiar with photography think that's a good enough camera? And if so any recommendations for a "wildlife photography" lens? I'll probably start a thread on the tech board for the camera and lens recommendations as well.

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As stated about the souvenirs, yes you will buy plenty. Bring something like a Army duffel bag that's collapsible. Use it to bring the souvenirs back.
Any recommendations for good "native" souvenirs to look out for?

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Check your bung hole for ticks every night. This will make more sense when you see your first dead animal. The ticks carry a version of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever there. But you probably won't get it just being there a few days and it's not bad either. Don't worry about malaria.
Probably the best tip of the bunch lol.


Great post thanks for the response. Anything else you can think of would be appreciated as well and I'll probably start another thread as it gets closer and I have more detailed for the trip.
Posted by 44Bogger
Beauregard
Member since May 2014
161 posts
Posted on 12/21/21 at 2:11 pm to
Yes, those gloves will be perfect.

Even if it's a .30-06 I'd bring my rifle. It's not that big of a deal. SA still realizes that the Safari industry brings in alot of money so they don't make it difficult. You want to look down the road. You sons/grandsons will love to have the rifle that dad/grandpa took to Africa.

Having friends with you will help with the photos. If you were gonna be by yourself you want the camera to be as easy to operate for others that would be unfamiliar.

I brought back alot of stuff but have some regrets. Most all of it came from a store in J'burg but I can't for the life of me remember the name nor can I find it online. It was a jewelry store also. Nice place. Got my dad a large lion dew claw pendant that he thought was the coolest thing ever. Got my mom an elephant hair bracelet with gold bands on it. Got my grandmother a inscribed ostrich egg with a warthog tusk stand. She already gave that back to me once I built my house. Got some spears and wooden statues. War shields are cool but bulky.
Got myself a ivory handled knife. They are available. Just ask the PH's after you get there.
The taxidermy shop will have rugs for sale. Springbuck and Impala rugs are cheap. People will love them and you will be able to bring them with you on the plane.
I wish I had bought a diamond, just to say I got it from Africa. And a Kruger Rand. Yea they are expensive but it's just an exchange of currency, not spending money.
Beg, borrow or steal the money to buy those things cause you may never go back. Hell, get me a Kruger Rand and I'll pay you an extra $100!!!
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2726 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:42 pm to
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Even if it's a .30-06 I'd bring my rifle. It's not that big of a deal. SA still realizes that the Safari industry brings in alot of money so they don't make it difficult. You want to look down the road. You sons/grandsons will love to have the rifle that dad/grandpa took to Africa.


Is a 308 enough for gemsbock/kudu? I assume yes but figured I'd ask.
Posted by 44Bogger
Beauregard
Member since May 2014
161 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 5:57 pm to
I would not shoot at those with a .308.
Impala and warthog yes.
Ok yea maybe you should just borrow a rifle.
What I meant by “don’t buy a new rifle for the trip” was, I saw many ppl fumble with new rifles they weren’t familiar with when they had something back home that would have worked just fine.
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2726 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:36 pm to
I have a 300 win mag as well.
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