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Southern Baptists/ Evangelicals went woke
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:34 pm
Woke Church
Well they made it for a 150 years before going heretical. This is partly why I converted to the Orthodox Church because I believe they have been consistent since the beginning. They’ve not changed their doctrine in 2000 years. Granted, there are many Catholics and Protestants that are Orthodox in spirit.
Well they made it for a 150 years before going heretical. This is partly why I converted to the Orthodox Church because I believe they have been consistent since the beginning. They’ve not changed their doctrine in 2000 years. Granted, there are many Catholics and Protestants that are Orthodox in spirit.
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 9:44 pm
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:35 pm to joydivision
Lots of Baptist churches have left the SBC.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:36 pm to joydivision
Non-PCUSA theologically conservative (little-o orthodox) Reformed Presbyterian denominations have stayed mostly solid.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:48 pm to joydivision
Rather than trying to figure out which denominations are more or less woke than others, I think it's more accurate to say certain church leaders are woke. If their politics lean left (which, amazingly, some Christian pastors are liberals), then you're going to get a woke message. And some pastors simply don't have the courage to speak the truth. Speaking truth is the whole point of the church. Many have forgotten that, choosing instead to reinforce the ideals that society says will make them feel better about themselves.
We have to pull our church leaders aside if we encounter this and inform them of the error they are making. And if they reject you, leave that church and find one that speaks the truth. WE are part of the church. We won't effect change by complaining about it, and doing nothing to help. I hope more people will take the time to speak up when they hear lies infiltrating their church.
We have to pull our church leaders aside if we encounter this and inform them of the error they are making. And if they reject you, leave that church and find one that speaks the truth. WE are part of the church. We won't effect change by complaining about it, and doing nothing to help. I hope more people will take the time to speak up when they hear lies infiltrating their church.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:53 pm to joydivision
Your link sux
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:00 pm to joydivision
Out preacher has said legalized abortion is one of the worst things to happen . Our church is definitely not woke but I am sure their are some that are .
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:04 pm to joydivision
Link no work.
Vast majority of SBC are Bible believing conservatives.
There are certainly some woke pastors and even denominational leaders. But each SBC congregation is autonomous, so it has little local impact. Though there is a "liberal creep" that needs to be addressed and shot down on the denominational level.
Vast majority of SBC are Bible believing conservatives.
There are certainly some woke pastors and even denominational leaders. But each SBC congregation is autonomous, so it has little local impact. Though there is a "liberal creep" that needs to be addressed and shot down on the denominational level.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:41 pm to joydivision
People need to take their fricking churches back. What’s going on now is some warped version of Christianity. All of this has to be pushed by outside forces
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 10:02 pm to joydivision
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Well they made it for a 150 years before going heretical.
The Protestants have been heretical since 1517
Posted on 12/5/21 at 10:29 pm to joydivision
The SBC has been bleeding membership and they keep doubling down on the same things that's causing people to leave.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 11:56 pm to joydivision
That’s a strange an inaccurate thread title when the article you linked is about other Southern Baptists refusing to compromise. “Some Southern Baptists went woke” would make more sense.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:55 am to joydivision
What % of SBC pastors do you think really have to confront wokeness up close and personal? Serious question.
CRT is not easy to address because it's like trying to hit a moving target. My thought is rather than respond to it, ask what it contributes to "the faith that was delivered to the saints once for all" (Jude 3)?
A couple of resources for my fellow believers which I hope to read soon:
Neil Shenvi - Apologetics
Owen Strachan - Christianity and Wokeness
CRT is not easy to address because it's like trying to hit a moving target. My thought is rather than respond to it, ask what it contributes to "the faith that was delivered to the saints once for all" (Jude 3)?
A couple of resources for my fellow believers which I hope to read soon:
Neil Shenvi - Apologetics
Owen Strachan - Christianity and Wokeness
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:40 am to joydivision
I think Jesus would be described today as a believer of traditional social justice.
The concept that we should help those who are oppressed and less fortunate. The concept that we should share our success and blessing with others. That we should all support charity.
The problem is that somehow, being a supporter of social justice today also means that you somehow support communism.
The type of social justice that Jesus would stand for is helping people out of free will, not giving something to someone else via government edict.
Any church worth a damn is going to help out those who are less fortunate. When church groups descend upon South Louisiana, after a hurricane, to cook food and gut homes, are they being "woke"?
Any Christian worth their salt is going to try to help those who are less fortunate than they are. In our society, those less fortunate tend to be black / foreign.
The concept that we should help those who are oppressed and less fortunate. The concept that we should share our success and blessing with others. That we should all support charity.
The problem is that somehow, being a supporter of social justice today also means that you somehow support communism.
The type of social justice that Jesus would stand for is helping people out of free will, not giving something to someone else via government edict.
Any church worth a damn is going to help out those who are less fortunate. When church groups descend upon South Louisiana, after a hurricane, to cook food and gut homes, are they being "woke"?
Any Christian worth their salt is going to try to help those who are less fortunate than they are. In our society, those less fortunate tend to be black / foreign.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:21 pm to joydivision
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The film persuasively traces how, in the 1930s, communists like labor union activist Bella Dodd subverted Catholic ministries, particularly among the more education-oriented Jesuits, and turned them from teaching the gospel to teaching social engineering.
Saul Alinsky — who notoriously dedicated his book Rules For Radicals to Lucifer — also unfortunately was a primary influencer on several key and highly placed American Catholics who went on to form the ultra-progressive Catholic Campaign for Human Development. The CCHD — which though ostensibly Catholic — frequently supports revolutionary leftist ideologies that are diametrically opposed to Catholic moral doctrine.
Saul Alinsky & The Catholic Church: ‘A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing’
….Alinsky associates within the Church developed the Campaign for Human Development for the U.S. Bishops’ Conference as the Conference’s anti-poverty program.
The late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin, then USCCB General Secretary, told the Bishops’ Conference that Alinsky’s organizing was “the best process and rationale for organizing people.”
The bishops approved the plan in 1970 and the first national collection was taken in November of that year, netting $8.5 million, the largest in Church history at the time.
The program continues today, now known as the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CCHD), which in part funded Barack Obama’s training in community organizing in the 1980s through the Alinsky-founded Industrial Areas Foundation…..
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:35 pm to joydivision
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Southern Baptists/ Evangelicals went woke
The older I get the more I realize the old school pastors were right
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:59 pm to joydivision
Lol funny no one cared when the church became Zionist shills decades ago, thats when the rot began. Boomers fricked it all up.
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