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Charges against parents of Michigan school shooter

Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:04 am
Posted by Music_City_Tiger
Nashville, TN
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:04 am
Update: Parents of Michigan shooting suspect charged with involuntary manslaughter

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The parents of the suspect in the Michigan school shooting have been charged with involuntary manslaughter, according to documents filed Friday.

James and Jennifer Crumbley are each charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, one for each of the four deaths. The semi-automatic gun used in the shooting was purchased by James Crumbley last week, four days before the shooting.

"The parents were the only individuals in the position to know the access to weapons," said Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald on Thursday, adding the parents went "far beyond negligence."

Ethan Crumbley, the suspect, allegedly killed four students and injured seven other people, including a teacher. Crumbley has been charged with four counts of first-degree murder, one count of terrorism that resulted in death, seven counts of assault with the intent to kill, and 12 counts of possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony. Crumbley has pleaded "not guilty" to all counts.

In a press conference Friday, McDonald also revealed text messages were found on Jennifer's phone urging her son "not to do it" when she learned there was an active shooter on the campus.

A separate text to Crumbley from his mother said she was not mad at him but mentioned he would "have to learn not to get caught," according to Lt. Tim Willis of the Oakland County Sheriff's Office.

School officials said they met with Crumbley and his parents the morning before the shooting because of "disturbing" behavior. However, no disciplinary action was needed, according to Oxford Community Schools Superintendent Tim Throne.

"There's been a lot of talk about the student that was apprehended. That he was, you know, called up to the office and all that kind of stuff. No discipline was warranted. There are no discipline records at the high school. Yes, this student did have contact with our front office. And yes, his parents were on campus Nov. 30," Throne said.

Crumbley was allegedly called to the principal's office Tuesday when a teacher found a drawing of a handgun done by Crumbley. There was also text next to the drawing that read, “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me," according to McDonald.

No motive for the shooting has been released. However, McDonald believes there is enough evidence to prove the attack was premeditated. Records from Crumbley's phone allegedly show that he was talking about shooting students at the school in a video made the night before.

Another recent piece of evidence was a journal in Crumbley's backpack in which he allegedly wrote about shooting people at the school, including killing some students.

It is not clear how much the parents knew about the videos or the journal, but James Crumbley immediately went to find his gun when he heard of a possible shooter at his son's high school. When he discovered it was missing, he called 911 to tell them his son could be the shooter.

Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said how much the parents knew ahead of the shooting is part of the investigation.


This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 3:36 pm
Posted by This guy larry
Behind U
Member since Dec 2017
645 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:07 am to
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The fact that the shooter was charged with a terrorism charge


To not be charged with terrorism, he should have used an suv! Then it would be the vehicles fault. That’s how it works according to the media.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 10:08 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15052 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:07 am to
I don't understand the reason for the charges.

A kid had a gun and killed - charge the parents?

Why not charge the parents of every gang banger caught with a weapon? The jails would be packed if this became an accpeted policy.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11839 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:08 am to
Parents should be charged for letting an unstable brat get access to their firearms.

I have no problem with underage mature and stable kids having access, but the parents should have been more careful.

I feel the same about pit bull owners. Fine, have the dog, but get charged with murder if it mauls someone to death.

Charge these parents with murder. imho.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
18898 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:08 am to
look at you being reasonable.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99226 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:09 am to
Apparently, the dad gave the kid the gun.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11839 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:10 am to
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To not be charged with terrorism, he should have used an suv!


No, won't work. Wrong skin color.

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Seriously, does anyone know the type of vehicle the Charlottesville guy used? Only that he is an "alleged" white supremist. But, everyone know the red SUV the Wisconsin monster used, but little about him.
Posted by Music_City_Tiger
Nashville, TN
Member since Feb 2018
1087 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:11 am to
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Parents should be charged for letting an unstable brat get access to their firearms.

I have no problem with underage mature and stable kids having access, but the parents should have been more careful.

I feel the same about pit bull owners. Fine, have the dog, but get charged with murder if it mauls someone to death.

Charge these parents with murder. imho.



I don't see either situation as being criminally negligent. Do the families have wrongful death lawsuits, probably.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54233 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:11 am to
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Why not charge the parents of every gang banger caught with a weapon?


Damn, you and me having the same thought? What's going on here?
Posted by Music_City_Tiger
Nashville, TN
Member since Feb 2018
1087 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:12 am to
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Apparently, the dad gave the kid the gun.


If he admits that or it can be proven, then yes, criminal charges may be in order.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67508 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:13 am to
This is dumb but it's Michigan so all bets are off
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15052 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:13 am to
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35546 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:13 am to
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Why not charge the parents of every gang banger caught with a weapon?


Because sadly, nobody in this country cares when black people kill each other.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
5128 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:14 am to
The gun was purchased days before the shooting. It's very possible prosecution believes the dad bought the gun specifically for his son-- maybe not for school shooting though. I know nothing.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11839 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:14 am to
quote:

To not be charged with terrorism, he should have used an suv!


No, won't work. Wrong skin color.

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Seriously, does anyone know the type of vehicle the Charlottesville guy used? Only that he is an "alleged" white supremist. But, everyone know the red SUV the Wisconsin monster used, but little about him.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99399 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:16 am to
Whoever built and sold that red SUV should be in jail.
Posted by BigDawg0420
Hamsterdam
Member since Apr 2010
7398 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:18 am to
I am as big of a defender of the 2nd Amendment as anyone. With that being said, the right to bear arms comes with great responsibility. That responsibility includes securing firearms in a way that prevents them from falling into the unsupervised hands of children, mentally ill, etc. While I don't believe the shooter's parents should be vicariously liable for the murders, they probably should be charged with some form of negligent handling/storage of a firearm. Now my opinion may change if facts show the parents knew their child was disturbed/had sinister plans and still allowed access to the firearm. Will be interesting to see what ultimately they will be charged with.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
15043 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:19 am to
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Eurocat



Cmon bud, he's just a school destroyer. Amirite
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15052 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:21 am to
I'm fine with that bigdawg, but then we should charge every parent of every inner city hoodlum if they used dad's gun in a crime, no?

It seems to be a double standard being used against white suburbanites here.

Charge them all or none of them.
Posted by Tbonepatron
Member since Aug 2013
8447 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:25 am to
Not securing a firearm that’s used in a crime is a crime itself, as it should be.

I had (before the boating accident) a main safe to keep long guns and a bedside safe for home defense.
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