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The unwavering support of Ukraine

Posted on 9/21/23 at 6:43 am
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1697 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 6:43 am
Can the board's huge Ukraine supporters explain to me what benefit we are getting from assisting a country that can't even afford to defend itself? Call me crazy, but if a country can't afford its own defense, maybe it shouldn't be a country to begin with.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
12925 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:24 am to
Well, they are not revealling all the damning evidence they have on the Bidens, Romney, Graham, Kerry, and our other swamp rulers. So, that their protection is what we are getting out of pissing away billions and billions of our dollars and risking WWIII.

Isn't it worth it?
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
49812 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:25 am to
Weakening Russia or something for some reason. Showing China we mean business lol.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
29663 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:26 am to
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but if a country can't afford its own defense, maybe it shouldn't be a country to begin with.



Well, apparently "we" could not afford to build a wall and secure our own border...

I am so glad we sent enough to Ukraine to build the wall twice...
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15015 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 7:30 am to
The Ukraine boot lickers are either Neocon chest beaters who still think this is the 1980s or Groomers who believe Russia helped bad orange man steal the election.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15824 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:19 am to
quote:

Can the board's huge Ukraine supporters explain to me what benefit we are getting from assisting a country that can't even afford to defend itself? Call me crazy, but if a country can't afford its own defense, maybe it shouldn't be a country to begin with.


Canada would have a tough time defending itself if America wasn't next to it, should it cease to exist?

What about Taiwan? They need foreign help to defend themselves.

This smells like just another bullspit argument for peace at all costs, even if the cost if your country getting taken over by evil.

Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
8366 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:32 am to
Because the political elite, MIC, and other private sector companies owned by former military and political operatives profit from war. Plus, it’s a safe state for bio weapons development and laundering.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10398 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:37 am to
UKR has known for quite a long time their territory was a target, and didn't pay for F-16s or artillery ten years ago. frick them.

The EU needs to be sending them the bulk of whatever bullshite UKR asks for, it's their backyard, not ours.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
60817 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:39 am to
The Sewer must be protected at all costs. I don't use the term "swamp" because swamps are awesome.
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1697 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:44 am to
What exactly about Russia is evil? Why is Ukraine considered some kind of Paragon of Virtue?
Posted by CrimsonJazz
Member since Dec 2014
1015 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:47 am to
quote:

The Ukraine boot lickers are either Neocon chest beaters who still think this is the 1980s or Groomers who believe Russia helped bad orange man steal the election.


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Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
4668 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:47 am to
quote:

Canada would have a tough time defending itself if America wasn't next to it, should it cease to exist?

What about Taiwan? They need foreign help to defend themselves.

This smells like just another bullspit argument for peace at all costs, even if the cost if your country getting taken over by evil.



Both Ukraine and Russia are evil. One is led by Putin and the other is led by the CIA/Obiden. They both can go FTS.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
39838 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:50 am to
Most American neocons are Ashkenazi Jews who harbor a resentment against Imperial Russia because of their pogroms in the late 19th century. Somehow in their warped mind, they think that this justifies the looting of the American treasury to settle a historical grudge.
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1697 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:50 am to
Countries have been battling and taking over other countries for millennia. There has never been world peace. What makes this conflict any more important than others?
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
65802 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:50 am to
Ukraine is an independent,sovereign country, aligned, for the most part with Western European democracies, with whom the US
has treaty obligations. It literally was attacked by Russia because of Putin’s desire to re-create the Eastern Bloc that was supported and effectively ruled by the old Soviet Union. It is in the best interest of the US and Western Europe that Russian aggression be defeated. Yes, Ukraine is a smaller country without the resources of Russia or the U.S., but that makes US support even more critical.
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1697 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:54 am to
Can you explain to me what "best interest" means exactly? Is it in our best interest to spend billions of dollars on their defense while at the same time our deficit is spiraling out of control? Is it in our best defense to have a shortage of military readiness in America because we have sent so much money and munitions to Ukraine? Is it in our best interest to just keep sending pallets of cash to a country known for corruption without any type of auditing being done? Just trying to understand what we are gaining here...
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 8:55 am
Posted by Ribbed
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2023
2745 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:55 am to
quote:

Ukraine is an independent,sovereign country, aligned, for the most part with Western European democracies, with whom the US has treaty obligations.

Which treaty requires us to support Ukraine unequivocally and into perpetuity? Europe wants to demand we participate, maybe they should be willing to defend their own borders. And it's in the best interests of the U.S. government to protect its own borders and ensure military readiness, two obligations they are deliberately failing in. But Ukraine, because we love war.
Posted by HVAU
Up over here
Member since Sep 2010
5043 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:55 am to
Are you guys really too bogged down in the political quagmire to puzzle out the benefits of preventing Russia from rebuilding the Soviet empire, and doing so by proxy?
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7519 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:56 am to
Countries that espouse personal liberty and traditional American values deserve to be defended. In this case, neither Russia nor Ukraine fit the bill.
Let the baddies fight it out.
Posted by HVAU
Up over here
Member since Sep 2010
5043 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:57 am to
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unequivocally and into perpetuity


Really? There’s been plenty of doubtful speculation and only it’s been two years.
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