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Top Gun: Maverick — just want to reiterate how…

Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:14 pm
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:14 pm
…fricking good this movie is.

I know there are some around here who didn’t like it, but they suck because it’s fantastic. It’s as perfect of a sequel as they could’ve made. It does a great job of tying into the original while still feeling like a fresh enough story. The actors all did their jobs well. The plot is cool. Jennifer Connelly looks great. The SFX and stunt work are amazing. Etc.

The more I see it the more I think it deserves an argument for the best sequel of all time (not saying it is, just that it’s arguable).




Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:19 pm to
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fricking good


Disagree - the film is fricking great.

The only flaw in both films is the math regarding Penny Benjamin's age.

Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:38 pm to
And Maverick ejecting at Mach 10.
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:38 pm to
Very overrated
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:42 pm to
And the fact that Navy Super Hornets would never ever be used for that type of mission.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

The only flaw in both films is the math regarding Penny Benjamin's age.

What flaw is that?
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:21 pm to
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The only flaw in both films is the math regarding Penny Benjamin's age.



Not the only flaw..
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:30 pm to
We can stream this now correct?
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:32 pm to
Funny you post that gif of Miles Teller. That was the only groan inducing part of the movie. "thank you for saving my life!!!!"
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:35 pm to
I don't get it. I think the movie is grossly overrated.

Was it a good sequel? Yes.

Was it entertaining enough? Yes.

But I just walked out of it thinking it was OK. Like that is the best thing I can come up with to say. It was OK. Good movie. Not great.

Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:40 pm to
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What flaw is that?





Let's say our default position is that Maverick is Tom Cruise's biological age and Penny Benjamin is Jennifer Connelly's age. Since this character was referenced in the original film, strongly implying that Mav had some degree of success with this "admiral's daughter", even playing games (pretending Top Gun was happening in 1986 when we watched it instead of 1985 when it was filmed, AND the sexual encounter had happened immediately before that mission), it remains difficult to think of Maverick as a good guy when Cruise/Maverick was a grown arse man in 1986 and Jennifer Connelly(presumptively Penny Benjamin) was a high school junior and looked a lot like this:



That's best case for Mav not being a pedo/creep - worst case is she is 1 to 2 years younger at the time of events described in the original film.

At all relevant times, Cruise is 8 years older than Connelly. That's nothing when folks are in their 50s. That's not nothing when the girl isn't driving age and he's a grown arse man.

This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:44 pm to
Literally no one even asked for this!!!



And yet, it was awesome. Go figure.
Posted by StrongOffer
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:46 pm to
Who says Jennifer Connely's character is her exact age in real life?
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:59 pm to
I think it has a lot to do with comic book movie fatigue, tapped into an audience that wanted an old school action flick without super beings or part of an inter connected universe where you needed to see 15 movies beforehand to actually get what's going on

I tend to agree it was a solid movie but don't get the total love affair, I kind of thought the final act dragged a bit
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Froman
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 3:07 pm to
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It was OK. Good movie. Not great.


That’s the realistic view of this movie. I loved it but also don’t feel like it’s a great movie. Just a solid, fun action film. Perhaps keeping it simple and fun elevates it to a great movie, but I think you’re closer to correct.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 3:36 pm to
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But I just walked out of it thinking it was OK. Like that is the best thing I can come up with to say. It was OK. Good movie. Not great.
It was great.
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 3:38 pm to
Maybe she was 19 and he was 23. Is that not plausible? What am I missing?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:06 pm to
Rooster's age is suspect, too.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:19 pm to
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Maybe she was 19 and he was 23. Is that not plausible?


Right - so that's the rub. Cruise and Connelly (in Maverick) look great and youthful, for their age, in Maverick. Like I said, the actors are 8 years apart in age. The pressure to make Maverick "not creepy" means you have to make him younger AND her older for the original. It's tough to make him much younger - he's a full lieutenant by the events of Top Gun. So, that's college, flight school, jets, a couple of cruises and then we pick up him during the film.

Then the pressure mounts - to make him younger, you have to make her even younger. "Maybe it was flight school?" Yeah, when Connelly was 13 or 14?

The later you make it (i.e. closer to the events of Top Gun), then the older he is - even if she's 17, he's at least 24 or 25.

Look I love the movies. But, I've had daughters in the intervening years and nothing is funny about the idea that a 24-year old flyboy is chasing your underage daughter.

Period.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:24 pm to
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Rooster's age is suspect, too.



But not a "flaw" because it just isn't creepy. Some stuff is built in - Mav blocked his entry to the academy, so he had to make his own way. That might have cost him a couple of years and maybe he looks youthful.

In the end, though, you're right. The character itself is kind of forced into a picture shot in 2019 when he should be about 30 (Teller was 32 and the other young pilots were all around the late 20s range) - Rooster being about 4 in 1985 or 1986 blows that up and should have been pushing 40 in 2019.

(ETA: For the record on the Rooster issue, the actor that played Payback, Jay Ellis is about the same age the Weiss twins were playing Rooster in the original film.)
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 4:29 pm
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