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Harry Potter Question
Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:02 pm
Why wasn’t the Elder Wand hidden or protected better after Dumbledore died?
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Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:06 pm to Havoc
1.) No one really knew Dumbledore's wand was the elder wand
2.) After Malfoy disarmed him it really wasn't the elder wand anymore. The elder wasn't a stick, it was a power that passed from person to person at times.
2.) After Malfoy disarmed him it really wasn't the elder wand anymore. The elder wasn't a stick, it was a power that passed from person to person at times.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:18 pm to Havoc
Most of the world thought that the Deathly Hallows were just a fairy tale. No one knew Grindewalt actually had it. If anyone had suspected that was it, the fact that Dumbeldore defeated him would have ended that, because they thought the elder wand was unbeatable.
But the reason Dumbeldore was able to defeat it was that the wand never recognized Grindewalt as its master because he didn’t win it, he stole it. But it recognized Dumbeldore as it’s master because Dumbeldore did defeat it. It essentially picked the more powerful person of the two as its new master. Then it recognized Malfoy because he disarmed Dumbeldore.
It never recognized Voldemort as its master because he never won it, he stole it from a crypt. It recognized Harry as its master because Harry beat up Malfoy and took his wand. So it again picked the more powerful of the two.
What is weird there is that it transferred from Malfoy to Harry, even though Malfoy didn’t physically possess it.
It says all that in the book. In the book as Harry is now its Master, he uses it to fix his original wand, then breaks the elder wand. In the movie he just breaks it and keeps Malfoy’s wand because he is a punk. Haha.
But the reason Dumbeldore was able to defeat it was that the wand never recognized Grindewalt as its master because he didn’t win it, he stole it. But it recognized Dumbeldore as it’s master because Dumbeldore did defeat it. It essentially picked the more powerful person of the two as its new master. Then it recognized Malfoy because he disarmed Dumbeldore.
It never recognized Voldemort as its master because he never won it, he stole it from a crypt. It recognized Harry as its master because Harry beat up Malfoy and took his wand. So it again picked the more powerful of the two.
What is weird there is that it transferred from Malfoy to Harry, even though Malfoy didn’t physically possess it.
It says all that in the book. In the book as Harry is now its Master, he uses it to fix his original wand, then breaks the elder wand. In the movie he just breaks it and keeps Malfoy’s wand because he is a punk. Haha.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:07 pm to Havoc
It’s a children’s book. I wouldn’t overthink it.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:56 pm to ProudNegaTiger
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In the movie he just breaks it and keeps Malfoy’s wand because he is a punk.
This has bothered me for 12 years.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:46 pm to Havoc
There’s literally a million things in HP that don’t make a lick of sense
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:53 pm to Havoc
Dumbledore had planned to die with it as its master thus ending its power. And only he and Voldemort knew it was real unless you count Luna’s dad who was a loony. Olivander only speculated about its existence.
Once Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore, Malfoy became its master though he never possessed it. So its power continued on unplanned. But when Malfoy was disarmed by Harry at his house, the wand then became Harry’s to use. The wan knew its master had been overcome.
Once Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore, Malfoy became its master though he never possessed it. So its power continued on unplanned. But when Malfoy was disarmed by Harry at his house, the wand then became Harry’s to use. The wan knew its master had been overcome.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:38 am to TigerFanatic99
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2.) After Malfoy disarmed him it really wasn't the elder wand anymore. The elder wasn't a stick, it was a power that passed from person to person at times.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 10:16 am to Havoc
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Why wasn’t the Elder Wand hidden or protected better after Dumbledore died?
Harry was ultimately intended to be the master of the hallows. He was the only living descendent of the 3 brothers who received the Hallows. He defeated death as a baby. I am sure that Dumbledore knew this. That is why he gave Harry the cloak and the stone. He knew that Voldemort would want the wand and would not be able to fully wield it due to the wand's allegiance being to Harry.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:10 am to mark65mc
He was given the cloak because it actually did belong to him. The stone wasn’t his to use by right but he was the only one to use it unselfishly. And I already said that Dumbledore had planned for the power of the wand to end with him (his own words). Harry already had protection from Voldemort via his mother and via the shared wand cores. Had Voldemort understood how the power of the wand changed, he wouldn’t have killed Snape. He could have simply disarmed Malfoy and used it to its fullest extent. What stopped him was his tendency to think the worst in people and believing that you had to kill the previous master of the wand.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:14 am to mark65mc
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new that Voldemort would want the wand and would not be able to fully wield it due to the wand's allegiance being to Harry.
He died without knowing that the wand would give Harry its allegiance. When he died it was Malfoy's.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:25 am to Havoc
The elder wand rules always bugged me.
Powers transfer via dis arming, but it could also choose its person...So of course it was powerful, it could reject a loser. Its not like the pick of destiny or something
Powers transfer via dis arming, but it could also choose its person...So of course it was powerful, it could reject a loser. Its not like the pick of destiny or something
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:49 am to Frac the world
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There’s literally a million things in HP that don’t make a lick of sense
thank you. Goblet of Fire, which is one of my favorites, is riddled with WTFs
Posted on 9/19/23 at 12:25 pm to GamecockUltimate
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The elder wand rules always bugged me.
Powers transfer via dis arming, but it could also choose its person...So of course it was powerful, it could reject a loser. Its not like the pick of destiny or something
It is all wand rules, not just the elder wand. All wands have an allegiance. They have a personality. The wand is still incredibly powerful if you use it and you aren't the owner, but it is like the wand is giving 75% effort and prone to temper tantrums.
The power doesn't transfer when you win a wand, that wand just works to its full potential when you use it.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 9/19/23 at 12:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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It is all wand rules, not just the elder wand. All wands have an allegiance. They have a personality.
Yep
"The wand chooses the wizard. That much has always been clear to those of us who have studied wandlore... If you are any wizard at all you will be able to channel your magic through almost any instrument. The best results, however, must always come where there is the strongest affinity between wizard and wand."
Posted on 9/19/23 at 12:37 pm to Teufelhunden
Poor wizards and need for a banking system ranks up there
Posted on 9/19/23 at 1:11 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Poor wizards and need for a banking system ranks up there
The cost of items is ripe for abuse to, it's like villager trading of buying bookshelves and selling them books back in minecraft to make endless money.
House points is another WTF. Percy could dock points as a prefect in the first books, but Hermione and Ron couldn't as prefects. Plus how much is taken and given swings wildly. Dumbledore just constantly gifting Harry insane amount of points and Snape taking them away is a great meme too.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 9/19/23 at 1:16 pm to Dam Guide
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House points is another WTF. Percy could dock points as a prefect in the first books, but Hermione and Ron couldn't as prefects. Plus how much is taken and given swings wildly. Dumbledore just constantly gifting Harry insane amount of points and Snape taking them away is a great meme too.
I'm not saying the system isn't silly, it was, but i've seen real world things similar to this in different areas and schools/camps. It is very arbitrary but it is a dumb way to put in some friendly competition. So, it does have some real world basis at least, doesn't make it less flawed.
The prefect things was definitely just a continuity error.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 1:20 pm to Havoc
I think the important question here is, How many boys did Moaning Myrtle watch bathe over the years in the prefect bathroom.
Because that scene was kinda rapey on her part.
Because that scene was kinda rapey on her part.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 1:46 pm to Dam Guide
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Plus how much is taken and given swings wildly. Dumbledore just constantly gifting Harry insane amount of points and Snape taking them away is a great meme too
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