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English National Health Service Deaths
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:10 pm
LINK NHS Deaths While On Waiting List
For all the folks who can't wait until we get Universal Healthcare like Britain.
For all the folks who can't wait until we get Universal Healthcare like Britain.
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:43 pm to Tupelo
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For all the folks who can't wait until we get Universal Healthcare like Britain.
About 7 years back Johns Hopkins published a study saying 250-440k people died here each and every year because of medical errors. That would make it the 3rd leading cause of death in the US, behind heart disease and cancer. The great news is the data was based on 2000-08, before we even had obamacare. Our system sucks in similar fashion already.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:46 pm to MoarKilometers
Well there would be a lot more people going to the Doctor if it didn’t cost anything. So I could see how that would make the waiting list to see the Doctor much worse.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:46 pm to MoarKilometers
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About 7 years back Johns Hopkins published a study saying 250-440k people died here each and every year because of medical errors.
Thats not an American phenomenon. Its true everywhere
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:50 pm to Tupelo
Everything is going to increase as population increases.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:50 pm to MoarKilometers
I've had two major heart sugeries in the last two years, if I had been on the NHS in the UK I'd probably be dead. My second surgery was at the BSW heart hospital in Plano, excellent care and one of the patients in a nearby suite was a British citizen. He probably paid a small fortune to travel to the US and have to pay out of pocket for his treatment but I guess it's better than waiting for sub-standard care.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:52 pm to Cycledude
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Well there would be a lot more people going to the Doctor if it didn’t cost anything. So I could see how that would make the waiting list to see the Doctor much worse.
I dont know that in their culture they go to the doctor over every single little thing like people in this country do.
People in America cannot handle any discomfort, and its a big problem.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:57 pm to MoarKilometers
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About 7 years back Johns Hopkins published a study saying 250-440k people died here each and every year because of medical errors.
When I read this I think this is a euphemism for human error...
this is in fact the great weakness of any human endeavor
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:59 pm to jizzle6609
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I dont know that in their culture they go to the doctor over every single little thing like people in this country do. People in America cannot handle any discomfort, and its a big problem.
It’s not just the doctor, it’s the damn ER
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:34 pm to MoarKilometers
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About 7 years back Johns Hopkins published a study saying 250-440k people died here each and every year because of medical errors. That would make it the 3rd leading cause of death in the US, behind heart disease and cancer. The great news is the data was based on 2000-08, before we even had obamacare. Our system sucks in similar fashion already.
Which is why I have always said that people should be rioting in the streets over shite doctors instead of a few shite police officers.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:56 pm to MoarKilometers
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Our system sucks in similar fashion already.
Not remotely. They had 120,000 people die last year waiting in line for care, and their population is only 20% the size of the US. And if their system is that overloaded, I doubt their percentage of errors is less than ours (probably worse).
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:59 pm to Tupelo
This is why price signals/market forces are so important
The Uk govt has no incentive to increase supply of nhs doctors/availability
In a market economy, low supply and high demand leads to higher prices/profits which attracts investment
The Uk govt has no incentive to increase supply of nhs doctors/availability
In a market economy, low supply and high demand leads to higher prices/profits which attracts investment
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:19 pm to Tupelo
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Not remotely. They had 120,000 people die last year waiting in line for care, and their population is only 20% the size of the US.
Yeah, using a single statistical anomaly of a year makes perfect sense to compare to a decade long study
if we use their previous year of 60k and the higher end of the Hopkins study, we're doing 7x the volume with only 5x the people. Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:24 pm to Tupelo
The truth is these countries have both.
if you want long wait times, go public. if you want your own doctor and less time, private.
if you want long wait times, go public. if you want your own doctor and less time, private.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:39 pm to Tupelo
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For all the folks who can't wait until we get Universal Healthcare like Britain.
The Torys have underfunded the NHS for the last 10 years. You reap what you sow.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:03 pm to MoarKilometers
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Yeah, using a single statistical anomaly of a year makes perfect sense to compare to a decade long study ? if we use their previous year of 60k and the higher end of the Hopkins study, we're doing 7x the volume with only 5x the people.
Do you honestly think that they don't have at least as many errors as we do? The 120,000 dead didn't include the people they had die from errors, only from not having treatment due to backlogs. We don't have a backlog problem where we make people wait for months on end before treatment. There's no reason to think that they don't have more people die due to errors than we do, their system is breaking down.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:33 pm to Tupelo
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We don't have a backlog problem where we make people wait for months on end before treatment.
We just don't treat them. The number of people dying in the US because they don't have insurance is far greater than the 120,000 dying in the UK on 2auting lists.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:35 pm to Tupelo
I lived in the UK for 3yrs. The NHS is a broken system and the care sucks. We have our problems in the US but I’ll take our system over theirs.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 7:40 pm to Tupelo
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Do you honestly think that they don't have at least as many errors as we do?
No, because as you pointed out we have 5x the population
rates could be similar. quote:
There's no reason to think that they don't have more people die due to errors than we do, their system is breaking down.
Again, probably not with 5x population difference. Feel free to enroll in Cambridge and do your master's or doctoral thesis on it, instead of supposing here.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:53 pm to MoarKilometers
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Again, probably not with 5x population difference. Feel free to enroll in Cambridge and do your master's or doctoral thesis on it, instead of supposing here.
I was naturally talking about death rates due to error, not total deaths per country. I don't have to enroll in Cambridge. It's a pretty reasonable assumption that their error rate is at least as high as ours. Even their own citizens admit that the wheels are coming off their system, it's overloaded. So trying to equate our error rate leading to deaths to their deaths caused by backlog is disingenuous. They undoubtedly have deaths due to error, too. Compare apples to apples.
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