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Remember that time Johnson started Skenes against 4 seed Tulane?

Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:33 pm
Posted by TigerBR1111
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:33 pm
And the Rant went ballistic and then LSU went on to win the College World Series and Johnson was named National Coach of the Year.
I do.
Posted by Roll on Tigers
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:34 pm to
Oh yeah….I had forgotten!
Posted by Tiger1988
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:35 pm to
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Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:35 pm to
Just think of how many more games Johnson would have won if he would have listened to the rant.
Posted by The Hurricane
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Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:38 pm to
You have any data to show why pitching Skenes against Tulane was the best move?

We won that regional with one arm tied behind our back thanks to using the #1 pick in the draft against an 18 win team.
Posted by Perrenial Powerhouse
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:39 pm to
tRant, where sports wisdom comes to die
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:41 pm to
He HAD to pitch Skenes. Tulane was RED HOT and was about to go on a huge winning streak.

THEY MIGHT HAVE WON THAT REGIONAL, BROSEF!
Posted by TigerBR1111
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:42 pm to
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You have any data to show why pitching Skenes against Tulane was the best move?


Seems like the rest of the pitching staff stepped up after that move by Johnson.
I thought it worked out well. You?
Posted by StevieG504
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:42 pm to
And still we have people like this fkn clown trying to make an argument against it.....the rant. Period.
Posted by geauxpurple
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:44 pm to
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Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:44 pm to
Even I disagreed with the decision, but I was never going to get unnecessarily mad at it. I figured he had his reasons. He wanted to set the tone. And good thing, because Skenes would have been burned after a few innings in the following game due to the rain delay.

I don't think people should have lost their minds over it unless LSU had lost the regional. I had a wait and see approach. I may not always agree with Jay Johnson's decisions, but I do believe he knows baseball and he knows what's best for his teams. I couldn't stand LSU fans who were crapping on him all season.

He improved the fielding from the season prior. He improved the rotation from the season prior. He had the team #1 or #2 in most offensive stats in the SEC. He pushed all the right buttons in the postseason.

I'll never forget posters like Chad who said he wasn't a championship level coach, because some player couldn't lay down a bunt. He had Arizona in the championship game and people still doubted him as a baseball coach. WTF people.
Posted by JonTheTigerFan
Central, LA
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

You have any data to show why pitching Skenes against Tulane was the best move?


Yeah, a national championship trophy

Y’all just can’t let go of the fact that a college coach knows more about his team and the calls to make than you Monday morning quarterback clowns do
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:45 pm to
Sure, but what’s he done lately? That CWS trophy is aging.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

And still we have people like this fkn clown trying to make an argument against it.....the rant. Period.


It was the wrong move. Period.

Every wrong move doesn’t bring disaster just like every correct move doesn’t always bring success.

The talent on this team overcame that bad coaching move.

And that doesn’t mean I think Coach Jay Johnson made bad moves all seasons. It just means that the move to pitch Skenes against Tulane was the wrong move. He made many excellent moves in the games that followed that. He did an awesome job.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
37770 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:47 pm to
Not sure why it’s some unspeakable thing on here now to say you disagree with the decision to start Skenes against Tulane now

Just because it worked and we still won doesn’t mean it was the best decision to make
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 9:48 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
69644 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:52 pm to
quote:

You have any data to show why pitching Skenes against Tulane was the best move?

We won that regional with one arm tied behind our back thanks to using the #1 pick in the draft against an 18 win team.


Results. That's all that matters.

This is a silly question. You can't provide data to suggest otherwise. LSU always started Skenes game 1 on the weekend. Why go away from that?

What if the unthinkable happened and LSU lost game 1? I remember Johnson really liked Floyd and Hurd if needed against Oregon St for a few reasons.

What if LSU had not pitched Skenes in game 1 and they somehow lost? Then in that game 2 against Oregon St, they lose Skenes after 3 innings like they lost Floyd. And imagine Hurd maybe went the game before as well? It could have been really ugly.

How about the data of the importance of winning game 1 is just as important as winning game 2?

It would have been disgusting had we not used Skenes and potentially loss. People act like we just blew Tulane out. It was a 7-2 game right?

This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 9:53 pm
Posted by Broham
Member since Feb 2005
18784 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:53 pm to
Yep and it was still a bad decision.
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4673 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:58 pm to
quote:

It was the wrong move. Period.


And you know this how?

Is it bc you are a person qualified to make such decisions?

Is it bc the decision didn’t work and scientifically we have feedback to confirm your opinion?

Is it bc other highly decorated coaches told you JJ was making a mistake?

Is it bc you travel in multiple parallel universes and can witness the outcome of ever possible eventuality?

Please, enlighten us on what data points you used to come to the conclusion that “It was the wrong move. Period.”
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 9:59 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
69644 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:59 pm to
quote:

Seems like the rest of the pitching staff stepped up after that move by Johnson.
I thought it worked out well. You?


So much of it is mental. He preached the mental all season long. He also had confidence in Floyd and Hurd for good reason. This team was 100% bought in.

Why get away from what was working all season long in that regional? I cannot imagine the hate people would have if LSU did not pitch Skenes and they lost to Tulane for some wild reason. Any team is dangerous in any given 1 game against anybody in baseball. People still taking a football mentality here trashing Tulane. And then LSU would have lost their 2nd pitcher after 3 innings in game 2. If anything, Johnson sort of changed my mind on the idea of saving the ace for game two. It still depends on your other arms and the opponents.

Also, Johnson was planning ahead by setting up the rotation for the potential Super Regional as well. He put LSU in the best position to win it all and they did.
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