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Anyone else feel we should have not fired Wade(ride it out)

Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:48 am
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7104 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:48 am
and rode out whatever sanctions we got with him? IMO if you have the right coach in place everything else falls away. Plus hes young so you dont have to worry about that aspect. Really depends on how damning the evidence is but I think the "proof" is overblown. And to lump football together in this, Woodward should have told the NCAA to kick rocks.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:48 am to
There is a chance he gets hit with a show cause so LSU would have had to get rid of him anyway.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
21090 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:49 am to
Outside of death penalty that is what we should have done.

Problem is alleva had miles and O doing bad shite as well and wade was sacrificed.
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7104 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:50 am to
I have forgotten what exactly are the penalties for a show cause?
Posted by subidc
CharlestonSC
Member since Nov 2019
3311 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:51 am to
No. I am a Wade supporter but he was too sloppy. If he wouldn’t have used his own accounts I would say ride it out. They have the smoking gun.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 9:15 am
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
37866 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:51 am to
Of course we should have kept him. Woodward was just looking for an excuse to get rid of him to bring his own guy in. Tell the NCAA to frick off like every other basketball program does and go from there

LSU finally had a consistently good basketball program
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
21090 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:51 am to
Wait for it to happen and then release.

Scott is bad at timing. See holding onto O through title ix despite almost no chance he would get the football team fixed. It cost us 20M
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
37866 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:51 am to
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There is a chance he gets hit with a show cause so LSU would have had to get rid of him anyway.


Then get rid of him at that point. Firing him right before the tournament is a terrible move
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6635 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:52 am to
A poor opinion submitted by lsutiger2.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
37866 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:52 am to
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Scott is bad at timing. See holding onto O through title ix despite almost no chance he would get the football team fixed. It cost us 20M


Woodward should have had that buyout come out of his paycheck. He's a freakin idiot for giving Orgeron that insane contract only to fire him a year or so later
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7104 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:54 am to
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Woodward was just looking for an excuse to get rid of him to bring his own guy in

Underrated reason for firing in the midst of all this. Really think Woodward wanted him gone the day he stepped on campus because like you said he wasnt his guy and didnt like all the negative allegations surrounding Wade.
Posted by Beef Supreme
Member since Apr 2008
2077 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:58 am to
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Scott is bad at timing. See holding onto O through title ix despite almost no chance he would get the football team fixed. It cost us 20M


People in positions like Scott's have access to more information than what the critics in the media and the message boards get. What if O had leverage on the university? What if the buyout and way it was handled is really hush money? I just don't believe these complicated deals are as simple as people think.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
21090 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:59 am to
I’ll give Scott a pass on the contract because O did have a undefeated national title so you have to pay up.

However, his frick up was either 1 pushing Bo or just 2. Approving an insane contract. O was coming off a title but you can’t let him give a guy no one wants 2M.

His next mistake was not firing O after hiring DJ and Poot as his dc and oc. He had the title ix report and should have used it to clean out O since no way we were winning the west.

Then we have the firing O after a win and not even being able to get a penny off the buyout despite all the off the field black eyes.

Last we have firing Wade before the tourny and having the players find out via Twitter.

Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
3814 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:59 am to
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Underrated reason for firing in the midst of all this. Really think Woodward wanted him gone the day he stepped on campus because like you said he wasnt his guy and didnt like all the negative allegations surrounding Wade.


I really believe it's the true motivating factor. Woodward probably would have loved to come in with Wade at the helm in an alternate universe where the NCAA issues didn't exist. But Woodward is a big PR, brand protection, type of guy and he likely hated the Wade stuff around the program. He is also probably confident in his ability to land a really good coach, so in the end I think this was what he wanted.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
21090 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:01 am to
He is bad at negotiations if he couldn’t even get a penny off for hush money. I’m not saying it’s so cut and dry but it’s a bad look. He had opportunities to dump O and he held up.

Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
21090 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:02 am to
If he is so worried about PR and brand why would he keep verge despite him being sat for 30 days for rape covering allegations?

Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32240 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:04 am to
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Outside of death penalty that is what we should have done.


Hopefully not, but perhaps as early as Saturday that is what the AD will have given the program.

What is left of the coaching staff will leave. All of the scholarship players will leave. They were ALL here because of Wade. And even if they did have a strong affinity for LSU that MIGHT give them a reason to say, the AD pulling the rug out from under them and unnecessarily firing their coach 6 days before the NCAA Tournament probably ruined any of that. The 4 commmits/signees will not sign with LSU. It is entirely plausible that come Saturday the basketball program will have no coaching staff, no players, and no players signed to join the team next season. If that is not a "dead" program, I don't know what is.

Would the day have eventually come where LSU had no choice but to fire Wade? Maybe (probably?) But the NCAA doesn't have to give LSU the "death penalty" (something they have acknowledged they would not do). LSU preemptively committed suicide.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36649 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:04 am to
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I have forgotten what exactly are the penalties for a show cause?
One of the requirements for using a coach under a show cause is a twice yearly meeting where the coach and university cooperate fully to show there are no violations, including turning over bank statements and phone records. Since Wade will never turn over his bank records he would just be made ineligible every year and the school would receive additional sanctions, EVERY YEAR.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32240 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:15 am to
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I’ll give Scott a pass on the contract because O did have a undefeated national title so you have to pay up.


BULL shite

No matter what LSU fans might think, there was not a single school in America who (1) was a strong enough program to compete for a NC, and (2) had the willingness to spend even what O was making in 2019, that was a threat to "steal" O from LSU. NONE! There was nothing contractually that said O had to get a salary increase if he won the NC. Woodward didn't have to give him another nickel and O would have still been the LSU HC in 2020. You tell me you're worth more than $____, then show me the other person that has an offer on the table confirming such. O could not do that because there wasn't anyone.

In true Louisiana fashion everyone got piss drunk at the party that was 2019 (the AD, along with the fricking Governor and bureaucrats who had NOTHING to do with LSU's success) and didn't think about the potential for a terrible hangover. 2020 and 2021 was Woodward and others waking up after 2019 with a fat woman in the bed and their wallet stolen.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
32199 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:16 am to
There's no way to know if this would've rolled over to football, but if it could be kept isolated to basketball, then they should've kept him.

The program basically just went on a 5-year self-imposed probation.

They could've said frick the NCAA and just rode with him. We will skip the NCAA tournament the next 3-5 years, because they aren't going anyway now.
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