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Arkansas, South Carolina, Texas A&M, and ... Missouri?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 7:33 am
Posted on 10/6/11 at 7:33 am
These are the last 4 teams added to the SEC. If it ends up being West Virginia, you basically have the same thing. These aren't exactly football powers. What gives with adding mediocre teams?
Do the football powers of the SEC NOT want to see other real powers join, or is it that other real football powers are too intimidated to join the SEC?
Which is it? The Big 6 in the SEC want to keep other big boys out, or we are too intimidating to other powers?
Do the football powers of the SEC NOT want to see other real powers join, or is it that other real football powers are too intimidated to join the SEC?
Which is it? The Big 6 in the SEC want to keep other big boys out, or we are too intimidating to other powers?
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Posted on 10/6/11 at 7:39 am to AlaTiger
FSU is the only "football power" that I can think of that would fit regionally that would be better than the teams you listed. And we did offer FSU and they declined a few decades ago. But these schools aren't exactly vandy level.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 7:53 am to AlaTiger
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The Big 6 in the SEC want to keep other big boys out
This...Look what "mediocre" Arkansas has done to your tigers of late. Can't handle the competition.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 7:54 am to AlaTiger
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Do the football powers of the SEC NOT want to see other real powers join, or is it that other real football powers are too intimidated to join the SEC?
Which is it? The Big 6 in the SEC want to keep other big boys out, or we are too intimidating to other powers?
The goal of expansion isn't to add superpowers to the conference... It's to increase the revenue for all the schools involved.
Adding these schools brings money to the sec.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:01 am to AlaTiger
LSU fans already bitch every year about UF being their permanent opponent. Imagine if the SEC had taken in Texas and FSU over the last 20 years? LSU fans would be 
weekly.
weekly.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:05 am to AlaTiger
Mediocre teams do not make SEC CG appearances, even if it takes 20 yrs. A&M has great potential. MO should be competitive, but they will have to completely reinvent themselves and that may take some time like SC. They will have to make a big time commitment to facilities upgrading and their recruiting strategy will probably have to drasticly change.
Right now they have 2 games a year in the state of TX that they use to maximum advantage. Depending on div lineups they could end up with no permanent annual game there. They need an OOC game there, but a quality opponent that would give them exposure may be difficult to come by depending on who the Big 12 picks up and Big 12 vindictiveness.
I think they need to test the appeal of the SEC to midwest recruits, as they would be the ideal gateway school to the SEC from the western BIG area. If they are put in the East, they will have to focus more on Florida.
All of facility investment and recruiting strategy changes will take time and on the field results will probably suffer. However, if MO is committed, eventuallythey will be very competitive and not mediocre. To paraphrase one columnist, their choice is going to a strong stable conference and not compete for championships or stay in an unstable conference and not compete for championships.
Right now they have 2 games a year in the state of TX that they use to maximum advantage. Depending on div lineups they could end up with no permanent annual game there. They need an OOC game there, but a quality opponent that would give them exposure may be difficult to come by depending on who the Big 12 picks up and Big 12 vindictiveness.
I think they need to test the appeal of the SEC to midwest recruits, as they would be the ideal gateway school to the SEC from the western BIG area. If they are put in the East, they will have to focus more on Florida.
All of facility investment and recruiting strategy changes will take time and on the field results will probably suffer. However, if MO is committed, eventuallythey will be very competitive and not mediocre. To paraphrase one columnist, their choice is going to a strong stable conference and not compete for championships or stay in an unstable conference and not compete for championships.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:11 am to Indiana Tiger
Does it really make sense to cram all of the good teams in to one conference?
What if the SEC went to 16 by adding Texas, OU, FSU and Miami? It sounds great on the surface but it would have long term negative implications for the national title chances of too many good teams.
What if the SEC went to 16 by adding Texas, OU, FSU and Miami? It sounds great on the surface but it would have long term negative implications for the national title chances of too many good teams.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:17 am to AlaTiger
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Do the football powers of the SEC NOT want to see other real powers join, or is it that other real football powers are too intimidated to join the SEC?
Didn't USCe win the SEC East last year? I would also think Arky holds its own in the SEC West.
I'm honestly confused why you don't think these teams are good. If you were to bring up Vandy or Kentucky I could understand.
ETA: I'm an idiot and fixed the east west thing
This post was edited on 10/6/11 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:26 am to BuddyLufkin
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Does it really make sense to cram all of the good teams in to one conference?
What if the SEC went to 16 by adding Texas, OU, FSU and Miami? It sounds great on the surface but it would have long term negative implications for the national title chances of too many good teams.
This is somewhat of a chicken and egg proposition. In a playoff scenario, it doesn't matter as the champion will have his shot. IMO, one of the steps to get to the playoff scenario is a rationalizing of the FBS so that the bigger conferences can keep control of the money. This will kind of be like going to 12 team conferences. The 1st one to 16 will go to 4 div and a 4 team playoff. They will make a lot of money. Then the other conferences will follow. At that point they will either form a separate div within the NCAA (preferable) or break off entirely.
This is not some planned out scheme that's being implemented; it's just where the forces are pushing things. So it could take a number of years to get there.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:28 am to carbola
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Didn't USCw win the SEC West last year? I would also think Arky holds its own in the SEC East.
dyslexic geographers confuse me
no reasonable USC or Arky fans would argue they have been nearly as successful as the big 6 programs in the SEC
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I'm honestly confused why you don't think these teams are good.
Good is a relative term - but they have not really (recently if ever) won reputation building games on a national stage - which is unlike the Big 6 programs of Florida, Bama, LSU, UGA, Auburn, and UT
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:32 am to AlaTiger
none of the above. the powers you speak of have little to gain being in the sec as they have sweet deals where they are. powers in a conference that doesn't have many other powers in it have a better shot at great post season bowls and NC's than if they were to join up with us. and, geography also plays a big role. thanks to bobby bowden, fsu will probably never join the sec as he negotiated a huge lop sided deal with the acc years ago; he basically robbed the other schools and he tried to do that with us. i really can't stand him and was glad to see him finally knocked off of his high horse. he's a fraud that hides behind the bible.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:33 am to molsusports
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no reasonable USC or Arky fans would argue they have been nearly as successful as the big 6 programs in the SEC
No but I think the idea behind his post is that just because neither are traditional powers doesn't mean they aren't capable of winning and breaking out division-winning seasons.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 8:59 am to AlaTiger
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These aren't exactly football powers.
LSU fans have the shortest memory. It's not like yall have been some all encompassing powerhouse from the beginning of time.
Arkansas has a great football tradition, we just haven't won a MNC since the 60's. It wasn't that long ago that LSU hadn't won a MNC since the 50's
Give it a rest
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:12 am to theGarnetWay
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no reasonable USC or Arky fans would argue they have been nearly as successful as the big 6 programs in the SEC
No but I think the idea behind his post is that just because neither are traditional powers doesn't mean they aren't capable of winning and breaking out division-winning seasons.
well if that was his point he did a lousy job of making it clear
I don't think the strength of the football team added is as important to the SEC as what their financial impact will be FWIW. In some ways when the SEC added South Carolina and Arkansas they diluted the conference (reduced the percentage of elite programs in the SEC) - but that dilution was actually very helpful because it still expanded the SEC's geographic footprint and allowed us to have a conference championship game of national interest
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:13 am to AlaTiger
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These aren't exactly football powers. What gives with adding mediocre teams?
What gives with people not understanding what exapnsion is about?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:16 am to theGarnetWay
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LSU fans already bitch every year about UF being their permanent opponent
who is your perma aopponent again?
When perma opponents was voted on Bama and UT wanted each other, AU and UGA wanted each other and USCe, Vandy, UK, Arky, MSU and OM agreed as long as they got each other.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:24 am to King
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Look what "mediocre" Arkansas has done to your tigers of late. Can't handle the competition.
oh, sick burn. Nothing like a recent slate of games to "prove" something. I love how Arky fans love to squawk about winning 3 of the last 4 over LSU. Only one, last year, meant something to both teams. 07 didn't cost us anything, 08 didn't matter. But congrats, I guess when you are the only SEC team to lose to Ohio State in a bowl, you gotta find something to brag about
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:33 am to molsusports
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In some ways when the SEC added South Carolina and Arkansas they diluted the conference (reduced the percentage of elite programs in the SEC)
Like when we went to the SEC Championship 5 years before LSU made their first one. OK
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:41 am to Hubbhogg
USC made the SEC CCG last year - does any reasonable person think they have a program with a similar ceiling to Tennessee, Florida, and UGA?
The answer is no. And that is not to denigrate USC - it is just acknowledging reality
The answer is no. And that is not to denigrate USC - it is just acknowledging reality
Posted on 10/6/11 at 9:45 am to Hubbhogg
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Like when we went to the SEC Championship 5 years before LSU made their first one. OK
Why is every comment about Ark met with some comparison to LSU by Arky fan? Do you have have a complex or soemthing? But congrats on winning the SEC W in 95 with a 8-4 record, great team you had there
How did the LSU game turn out that year BTW ? 
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