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You "Aranda will take over when we can Ogre" people....
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:11 pm
...how do you figure? He'd be a part of a trainwreck, even if he is the shiniest car on the train. Trainwrecks usually lead to a "culture change" or cleaning of house.
Has this ever happened: A HC is fired only to see the DC elevated?
Not saying I'm against it by any means, but please enlighten me as to how it could ever play out.
Has this ever happened: A HC is fired only to see the DC elevated?
Not saying I'm against it by any means, but please enlighten me as to how it could ever play out.
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:12 pm to clamdip
quote:well we did fire our HC and hire the DLine coach.
as this ever happened: A HC is fired only to see the DC elevated?
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:13 pm to clamdip
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Has this ever happened: A HC is fired only to see the DC elevated?
Well last season we elevated the D line coach and that’s even more absurd.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:14 pm to clamdip
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A HC is fired only to see the DC elevated?
What the frick is O? We fired our HC to hire another retard.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:14 pm to clamdip
Replace "Ogre" with "Les Miles", "Aranda" with " Orgeron" and "DC" with "DL coach" in your post. Then ask yourself again if something like that would ever happen at LSU (and for the record Aranda > O)
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:14 pm to CarRamrod
quote:OK. You have a point. I should have said, outside of our stupid LSU leadership, has it ever happened?
well we did fire our HC and hire the DLine coach.
So, I guess we could certainly do it back to back.
I still have Mike Archer nightmares, btw, so Aranda would not be my first option.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:15 pm to clamdip
I'm with you on this one. Aranda is a great DC, but I really don't see the huge craze behind him as HC. I believe it's only because he's the best we have on staff right now and has been the best on our staff for a couple years. If he was still at Wisconsin, nobody in their right mind would be advocating for him as HC if/when O is fired.
It's important to remain grounded and think clearly. We need someone who is a proven HC somewhere. Someone who has accomplished way more than expected at another school with much less talent than we have. But most importantly, we need someone with HC experience. This is LSU. We suck, but we are still big time. We don't hire or promote coordinators to navigate this ship. Or at least, we shouldn't.
It's important to remain grounded and think clearly. We need someone who is a proven HC somewhere. Someone who has accomplished way more than expected at another school with much less talent than we have. But most importantly, we need someone with HC experience. This is LSU. We suck, but we are still big time. We don't hire or promote coordinators to navigate this ship. Or at least, we shouldn't.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:16 pm to clamdip
You know it all Millenials sound just like the Tennessee fan base back in the day demanding for Fuller to step down.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:19 pm to clamdip
Ok, name some other head coaches out there that we can reasonably hire that in your opinion would be better than Aranda as a head coach. And no coordinators please, because the whole premise of your thread is skepticism of a DC becoming a head coach.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:20 pm to clamdip
Aranda will be retained to keep the recruited class intact...to prevent a total rebuild...
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:23 pm to TDsngumbo
For a number of reasons, I really like Aranda. I think he has a Coach K (of Duke) demeanor, is very strong strategically, and commands respect. Nothing is a given, but that should translate well into being a sound HC.
Realistically, how will the next hiring process go? Can we trust the self-interested, possibly corrupt AD and BOS to make a competent search and hiring a third party coach?
They showed they are not willing to hire an experienced and proven commodity (Fisher) because he is too expensive.
Comparing Aranda to Herman, how much difference in experience is there really? Herman was an elite OC and then coached at the Univ. of Houston for what, 2 years? Does that sort of experience at HC really matter?
Long story short, I don't trust the current guys to make the right decision. Aranda has a lot of impressive attributes and is an elite DC. In my opinion, we have a greater likelihood of success simply grooming him to be the next HC rather than trusting these guys, who have shown again that they are so underserving of our trust, to hire a championship-caliber coach from the outside.
Realistically, how will the next hiring process go? Can we trust the self-interested, possibly corrupt AD and BOS to make a competent search and hiring a third party coach?
They showed they are not willing to hire an experienced and proven commodity (Fisher) because he is too expensive.
Comparing Aranda to Herman, how much difference in experience is there really? Herman was an elite OC and then coached at the Univ. of Houston for what, 2 years? Does that sort of experience at HC really matter?
Long story short, I don't trust the current guys to make the right decision. Aranda has a lot of impressive attributes and is an elite DC. In my opinion, we have a greater likelihood of success simply grooming him to be the next HC rather than trusting these guys, who have shown again that they are so underserving of our trust, to hire a championship-caliber coach from the outside.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:32 pm to clamdip
In 2016, we had 4 losses. In those 4 losses we allowed 3 total TDs.
Next year our defense will be equally as filthy.
If this was a sinking ship, Aranda is both the lifeboat and the guy throwing buckets of water over the side. He’s an elite football coach and I don’t say that about many people. I think that list of “elite coaches” is less than 10 people long and most are head coaches. If he’s thrown out with the bathwater, LSU will regret it.
Caveat:
This is assuming he even wants to be a head coach. He might just want to be a DC his entire career.
Next year our defense will be equally as filthy.
If this was a sinking ship, Aranda is both the lifeboat and the guy throwing buckets of water over the side. He’s an elite football coach and I don’t say that about many people. I think that list of “elite coaches” is less than 10 people long and most are head coaches. If he’s thrown out with the bathwater, LSU will regret it.
Caveat:
This is assuming he even wants to be a head coach. He might just want to be a DC his entire career.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:33 pm to clamdip
he already has the title of associate HC. That is basically the equivalent to a management training program. O has held that title several times at different schools. That essentially means you are slated to take over if the HC is relieved of his duties...how does that typically work out?
He is the highest paid coordinator (to my knowledge) in he country. If we are considering any current coordinators, why would Aranda not be on the list, not to mention he currently works here?
If you think the only qualified candidates are people with head coaching experience, and no black eyes on their resume, you are going to be dealing with a very limited talent pool and will be paying a premium for their services.
He is the highest paid coordinator (to my knowledge) in he country. If we are considering any current coordinators, why would Aranda not be on the list, not to mention he currently works here?
If you think the only qualified candidates are people with head coaching experience, and no black eyes on their resume, you are going to be dealing with a very limited talent pool and will be paying a premium for their services.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:33 pm to clamdip
quote:
Has this ever happened: A HC is fired only to see the DC elevated?
This happened at Oregon with the OC. His name was Chip Kelly.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:34 pm to TDsngumbo
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If he was still at Wisconsin, nobody in their right mind would be advocating for him as HC if/when O is fired.
But he isn't at wisonsin, he is at LSU. Do you seriously don't think that makes a difference?
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:41 pm to clamdip
Aranda is the only hope Alleva has of keeping his job after O will eventually fail.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:45 pm to Catman88
I don't think alleva keeps his job if O truly fails. 9 or less wins and I think they are both gone
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:47 pm to clamdip
To get Aranda, you have to keep Alleva. No way in hell I’d be for that. If Alleva survives the O train wreck, LSU will never get rid of him. No deal.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:48 pm to clamdip
Aranda's not a slam dunk, but he's clearly intelligent and adept at coordinating defenses. Everywhere he's been he's left the defense better than when he found it. That's about all you can really hope for.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:49 pm to OceanMan
I dont think he keeps it either. I'm just saying Alleva is trying to find a out. He likely knows he fricked up with O.
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