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re: Would Helfrich's Offense Really Compliment the Defense?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:35 am to OceanMan
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:35 am to OceanMan
Plenty of coaches adapt their philosophy to suit a teams identity not named Les Miles. I would say that coach o if Helfrich were hired, would speak on that point that we don't need an up tempo offense because the SEC is physical and likes to wear down defenses.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:37 am to 2014Tigers
You understand tempo wears down an opponent.
ETA: You understand the only way to be Satan is with tempo. If you don't get their defense on their heels, you won't move then ball.
ETA: You understand the only way to be Satan is with tempo. If you don't get their defense on their heels, you won't move then ball.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 11:38 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:41 am to OKtiger
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Message Would Helfrich's Offense Really Compliment the Defense? by OKtiger
Yes. It scores points. Something LSU hasn't done enough the past few years.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:42 am to ThaGenius
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ETA: You understand the only way to be Satan is with tempo. If you don't get their defense on their heels, you won't move then ball.
You can get a defense on its heels with misdirection and (successful) gadget plays: it happens all the time at the NFL level.
To beat Saban, you need an offense as well coached and prepared as Saban's defense. There are very few OC's out there that can coach at that level; Kiffin, Sarkeesian and Briles are the three being mentioned that I think could actually succeed without a doubt.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:42 am to OKtiger
I think you would see Helfrich use tempo on demand, like Auburn, as well as employ power concepts, given our personnel and defensive perogatives.
Depending upon intangible personal considerations, like culture and chemistry, he would conceivably be both a great hire and a fine addition to our staff.
It would be extremely tough to fault Orgeron in any way, shape or form if he is able to bring Helfrich to Baton Rouge.
Depending upon intangible personal considerations, like culture and chemistry, he would conceivably be both a great hire and a fine addition to our staff.
It would be extremely tough to fault Orgeron in any way, shape or form if he is able to bring Helfrich to Baton Rouge.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:45 am to blackmouthcur
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It would be extremely tough to fault Orgeron in any way, shape or form if he is able to bring Helfrich to Baton Rouge.
CEO would get pilloried if it fails, of course. Helfrich is a B+ type hire, IMO. There are legitimate questions about the schematic fit, recruiting prowess and competency. We don't know how well Helfrich will do when coaching his own players with his own scheme, since his best results were with Chip Kelly coached players / scheme.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:45 am to etm512
they weren't on the field as much as they would be in this system, and i'm sorry that you're football illiterate.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:46 am to OKtiger
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But when we did have offensive success it would take a big chunk out of the clock. That wouldn't necessarily be true with an Oregon offense
ToP is one of the most useless stats in a vacuum. A 3 and out on 3 incompletions eats up no time while a 3 and out on 3 runs can eat up a few minutes. Your defense is on the sideline for the same amount of real time either way. The stat also depends on how quickly your defense can get off the field as well
I think plays run is a better indicator of ball control. We have not won many of these battles over the years and it wasn't because we were a big play team
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:47 am to ThaGenius
You don't need up tempo to beat bama. You spread them out to get guys out of the box. See Ohio State. Remain physical, spread teams out, makes it much easier to run the ball rather than 7-9 guys in the box knowing we are going to run it.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:51 am to 2014Tigers
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You don't need up tempo to beat bama. You spread them out to get guys out of the box. See Ohio State. Remain physical, spread teams out, makes it much easier to run the ball rather than 7-9 guys in the box knowing we are going to run it.
Ohio State didn't exactly take their time running plays.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:53 am to 2014Tigers
Lol what? Urban has always played up-tempo.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:54 am to OKtiger
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But I think if Helfrich came in, he would have to adjust the tempo to give the defense some time to get a breather
I don't think an up tempo snap the ball within 15-20 seconds type of offense would be good in the sec. I do think it would be good to have the ability to run up tempo at times...just not entire game
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:55 am to Pedro
Power spread and utilize the entire field instead of just in between the tackles
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:59 am to Topwater Trout
The problem with our fan base is, y'all have no clue what up tempo even means. You watch sportscenter and listen to Gary Danielson speak about HUNH. There's levels to how you implement it throughout a game. There's times where you hit a play and you like the look and you keep banging it away. There's times you give a fake snap count to see what the defense shows and check in or out of certain plays based on the look. You cannot sit in a huddle, get personnel in, allow the defense to match, wait until 5s on the play clock and think you're gonna beat a Saban coached defense. Just look at the facts, they haven't lost since the game of the century in a 9-6 loss in OT. We came with the same game plan on 1-9, and didn't cross midfield until the 4th quarter.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:08 pm to ThaGenius
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The problem with our fan base is, y'all have no clue what up tempo even means.
what the frick? I doubt anyone on here doesn't know what up tempo means
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:10 pm to OKtiger
Oregon's defense was on the field a grand total of 5 minutes more per game than LSU this season.
5 minutes of game time over the course of a three hour game. 5 minutes.
The whole time of possession to let the defense rest is overblown.
5 minutes of game time over the course of a three hour game. 5 minutes.
The whole time of possession to let the defense rest is overblown.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:12 pm to Topwater Trout
What I am alluding to is that up tempo does not simply mean we are going to run a play every 12 seconds, every single drive of every single game. Maybe our fanbase is scarred by the memories of Les and Cam trying to play "faster" and just snapping the bowl out of a pro formation real quick and tossing the ball. Like I said there are levels to how you implement tempo throughout the game and a lot of people on here don't grasp that concept.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:13 pm to yimbeaux
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they weren't on the field as much as they would be in this system, and i'm sorry that you're football illiterate.
I would be willing to bet for the vast majority of our games over the last 7 years our defense was on the field for more plays than our offense was. I am willing to sacrifice our D playing some more snaps if that means our offense is much more productive and efficient. Again, ToP in a vacuum is worthless
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:20 pm to OKtiger
Just supposition, I know, but I'll say this: if he's truly interested in moving up to the NFL some day, then he's going to have to modify his approach to some degree anyway.
His pedigree is outstanding (Koetter, Kelly--both of whom have made the jump themselves), and if he's half as smart as everyone claims he is, then he'll use the "Aranda approach" of tweaking his system to fit NFL caliber talent in the "NFL-lite" SEC to ready himself for the move.
Personally, I'd love to have both men at the helm the next 3-4 years while they get their schemes pro-ready and win tons of games in the meantime.
His pedigree is outstanding (Koetter, Kelly--both of whom have made the jump themselves), and if he's half as smart as everyone claims he is, then he'll use the "Aranda approach" of tweaking his system to fit NFL caliber talent in the "NFL-lite" SEC to ready himself for the move.
Personally, I'd love to have both men at the helm the next 3-4 years while they get their schemes pro-ready and win tons of games in the meantime.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:22 pm to OKtiger
But when we saw this Les Miles offense go on constant 3 and Outs, I think it evens out
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