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re: With the right off.-coordinator, could Orgeron be LSU's best hire.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:22 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:22 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
If he wasn't from Louisiana the board wouldn't even want him as the interim over Aranda. But let's make him the HC after paying a buyout for Les 
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:27 pm to Cs
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Dabo, I suppose.
I reluctantly admit that I forgot this. I think my point is still valid - it's rare for interims to succeed.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:29 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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God damn just think about how fricking retarded that would sound. LSU would be making the dumbest decision in college football if they keep CEO as full time head coach.
It actually scares me. I knew there would be a few stragglers who wanted to keep him. But it looks like half of our fan base is on board.
I actually really like O, but come on.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:42 pm to SportTiger1
Well first off it is a 9.6 million dollar buyout. Second it is a little premature to start judging Ed Ogeron when he has a whole season left to show us what he can do as a head coach. And that makes me think, just what qualities does a head coach need? After all he has a DC and an OC and another coach for every position. Les tried to do too much in areas where he had no expertise. The thing that Ogeron said that impressed me the most is when he said that at Ole Miss he did the same thing but when he was interim head coach at USC he learned to delegate.
A head coach that let's his coaches do their job is basically an inspirational leader, who can help recruiting, and bring the hammer down when needed. Right off I think Ogeron fits that description. Time will tell.
A head coach that let's his coaches do their job is basically an inspirational leader, who can help recruiting, and bring the hammer down when needed. Right off I think Ogeron fits that description. Time will tell.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 11:16 pm to Tiger in Texas
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Miles was never going to let that happen!
When will this bullshite myth die?
There were huge differences in the offense and playcalling with each OC under Miles.
Just because you cant see them that doesnt mean they dont exist.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:11 am to Tom Bronco
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Second it is a little premature to start judging Ed Ogeron when he has a whole season left to show us what he can do as a head coach.
My issue is, I don't think these next 8 games will tell us much about orgeron. They should win 6 games and I wouldn't be surprised if they win more. His history shows me way more than winning with someone else's all star team.
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And that makes me think, just what qualities does a head coach need? After all he has a DC and an OC and another coach for every position. Les tried to do too much in areas where he had no expertise. The thing that Ogeron said that impressed me the most is when he said that at Ole Miss he did the same thing but when he was interim head coach at USC he learned to delegate.
So you want a figurehead. I would rather have a football genius who brings a lot of knowledge to the table.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:52 am to SportTiger1
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My issue is, I don't think these next 8 games will tell us much about orgeron. They should win 6 games and I wouldn't be surprised if they win more. His history shows me way more than winning with someone else's all star team.
You're viewing this correctly.
It's going to be difficult arguing with this particular segment of our fanbase, as there doesn't seem to be anything you could put forward that they would accept. They seem to be set on Orgeron - you know, because he's from Louisiana (what else could possibly matter?). By the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised to see them argue that he's a better choice than Fisher or Herman.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:45 am to LSUTigerfaninHtown
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It's going to be difficult arguing with this particular segment of our fanbase, as there doesn't seem to be anything you could put forward that they would accept. They seem to be set on Orgeron - you know, because he's from Louisiana (what else could possibly matter?). By the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised to see them argue that he's a better choice than Fisher or Herman.
It's scary. Really makes me second guess us during Les midseason.
Mark it down, if O gets the HC job, we'll be searching for a new coach in 3 years.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:50 am to TrueTigerTale
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How many college teams were inquiring about Saban at Michigan State or Spurrier at Duke? All I'm asking is, keep an open fricking mind.
I said this on a different thread, but let me repeat it here. You cannot compare those types of hires to now. Think about the expectations when Saban was hired vs what we are expecting out of this coach.
Like others have said, if you fired Miles to get a "maybe" guy or a tier 2 guy Alleva should be fired, immediately. Anything less than a top tier coach with a great resume is a loss for LSU. Could they get lucky and find a diamond in the rough? Sure, but it's still terrible planning by the administration.
Let's say CEO wins 7 or 8. I still feel like LSU loses in the coaching search by hiring him. This is a top tier team, and to get anything less than a top tier coach is a fail by Alleva and staff.
So, like you, i will let the season play out before i make final judgements on CEO, but again, LSU should NOT be striking out with top tier coaches during this job search. The program is too far along for that.
Best of luck to CEO and if he does great here then another school should hire him for an HC opportunity. LSU should not be in this position, though, come 3 months from now.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:57 am to Tiger Tracker
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Best of luck to CEO and if he does great here then another school should hire him for an HC opportunity. LSU should not be in this position, though, come 3 months from now.
O needs to go be the HC of a mid-major for a few years and prove himself, if he wants to run a big time program again.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:02 am to SportTiger1
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O needs to go be the HC of a mid-major for a few years and prove himself, if he wants to run a big time program again.
Agreed. Not sure why people are considering 2nd tier candidates at all. I mean i get it. If the shite hits the fan who do you go with, but damn, i dont even want to consider that as a possibility at this point.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:22 am to Tiger Tracker
The problem is, if O does well and public opinion is strong to make him HC (seems to be already), I can totally see the donors going to get to get him. Then he becomes the top choice, and Herman and Jimbo don't get full consideration.
We're in dangerous territory, because of these cajuns that value his birthplace more So than his coaching abilities.
We're in dangerous territory, because of these cajuns that value his birthplace more So than his coaching abilities.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:30 am to SportTiger1
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The problem is, if O does well and public opinion is strong to make him HC (seems to be already), I can totally see the donors going to get to get him. Then he becomes the top choice, and Herman and Jimbo don't get full consideration.
That's a sobering and scary thought. Do you think Alleva would be fired, if that plays out and CEO only wins 8 games or less next year?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:42 am to Tiger Tracker
I think alleva is trying to do what the fans and big donors want him to do. I'm assuming his ultimate goal is Jimbo or herman, or bust. He'll get a pass because Orgeron is who the fans wanted.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:51 am to SportTiger1
I think if they hire one of the 2nd tier coaches and they don't perform better than Miles in the next 2 years both he (whoever that may be) and Alleva will both be gone. No matter how much the fans would love coach O as a HC, numbers the same as or worse than miles will get him fired.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:00 am to Tom Bronco
Agreed. I respect everyone's right to their opinion, but I also think we ALL get a little ahead of ourselves. Those young men who suit up - "our" Tigers...would we wish to see THEIR feelings as conflicted as the reflections of this thread?
Instinctively, the answer is no.
When the OP asked the question above, can we see the difference between saying:
"No, because I have concerns about his ability to be successful as a HC based on his experience at Ole Miss - he had great coordinators there, too."
(and) "You don't fire a man like Coach Miles just to turn around and make Coach O the new HC."
(or) "That's like trading in your house for a Pancho."
Hm? Do we think the players can just come out and say "Damn! Playing football here is becoming a grind because so and so is doing something or other?" NO. Some leave, and the rest soldier on...still playing their hearts out for their HC, despite everything.
Well right now the HC is Ed Orgeron. And if I see that the players are actually having FUN for once, then I know the future of LSU football is gonna be all right, one way or another.
Coach O and his staff have been tasked with a system not of their own choosing (and I'm being KIND in my phrasing here), been tasked with reinvigorating the current players (several of which postponed the NFL to be here) AND tasked with maintaining ties with all the recruits!!! But no, it's still about Coach Miles, huh?
"If he wins all 8 games, well than MAYBE"... selfish! Excuse some of us for having the AUDACITY to support Coach O...and the Tigers who are playing for HIM, now.
So call me crazy, but I'm looking to see some excited, happy Tigers come out of that tunnel Saturday night, and Coach O leading 'em out.
Wearing a mother-frickin' Pancho.
Instinctively, the answer is no.
When the OP asked the question above, can we see the difference between saying:
"No, because I have concerns about his ability to be successful as a HC based on his experience at Ole Miss - he had great coordinators there, too."
(and) "You don't fire a man like Coach Miles just to turn around and make Coach O the new HC."
(or) "That's like trading in your house for a Pancho."
Hm? Do we think the players can just come out and say "Damn! Playing football here is becoming a grind because so and so is doing something or other?" NO. Some leave, and the rest soldier on...still playing their hearts out for their HC, despite everything.
Well right now the HC is Ed Orgeron. And if I see that the players are actually having FUN for once, then I know the future of LSU football is gonna be all right, one way or another.
Coach O and his staff have been tasked with a system not of their own choosing (and I'm being KIND in my phrasing here), been tasked with reinvigorating the current players (several of which postponed the NFL to be here) AND tasked with maintaining ties with all the recruits!!! But no, it's still about Coach Miles, huh?
"If he wins all 8 games, well than MAYBE"... selfish! Excuse some of us for having the AUDACITY to support Coach O...and the Tigers who are playing for HIM, now.
So call me crazy, but I'm looking to see some excited, happy Tigers come out of that tunnel Saturday night, and Coach O leading 'em out.
Wearing a mother-frickin' Pancho.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 3:09 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:09 am to Just_Fight_Baby
I'm looking forward to it as well, but I'm a bit confused on your point. Are you saying that people are correct in their hesitation to make him the perm HC and they are just phrasing it terribly?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:35 am to TrueTigerTale
The only way I would find that even slightly acceptable is if Herman said no.
ETA: Even still I would have to say I'd probably take Mullen first. I'm not really a Jimbo guy anymore, but I wouldn't be opposed to him either.
ETA: Even still I would have to say I'd probably take Mullen first. I'm not really a Jimbo guy anymore, but I wouldn't be opposed to him either.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 4:39 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:37 am to Tiger Tracker
It's natural to have that concern, based on his HC record at Ole Miss, yes. But too, this ended 9 years ago...and interestingly, he wanted Lane Kiffin to join him in 2004 when he was hired. Something struck me about his statements during the initial press conference. A man that has cultivated an ability to rely on his strengths, and rely on others where he is weak. Not something I'm used to hearing, for certain, in college football. I see a man that has come through a shadow. His shadow. And he's stronger.
Was reading the 2016 transcript of Nick Saban's presentation at Media Days earlier, and in there he speaks about some of the dynamics of running a successful program. How it involves so much more than calling plays. The game certainly has changed now to a point where I feel we are pushing up against the classic idea of a HC who functions as an OC.
Coach Saban himself had to make that adjustment, hard as it was, and look how it's paying off for him. Not saying all programs operate this way, obviously, but it works for them. With Coach O admitingly saying he tried to run the QBs and WRs "his way", and "didn't know nothing about it"...that says to me he would be the type of coach that would rely heavily on a brilliant OC.
Recruiting, of course, another huge consideration. And certainly CEO fits the bill there. He seems to have gelled with Coach Aranda, too...and just something Alleva will have to weigh...bring in a HC and all the staff turnover that potentially goes with it...or preserve your recruits by giving O a shot, Aranda stays, and trust O to bring in a lights out QB minded OC (like Kiffen).
Was reading the 2016 transcript of Nick Saban's presentation at Media Days earlier, and in there he speaks about some of the dynamics of running a successful program. How it involves so much more than calling plays. The game certainly has changed now to a point where I feel we are pushing up against the classic idea of a HC who functions as an OC.
Coach Saban himself had to make that adjustment, hard as it was, and look how it's paying off for him. Not saying all programs operate this way, obviously, but it works for them. With Coach O admitingly saying he tried to run the QBs and WRs "his way", and "didn't know nothing about it"...that says to me he would be the type of coach that would rely heavily on a brilliant OC.
Recruiting, of course, another huge consideration. And certainly CEO fits the bill there. He seems to have gelled with Coach Aranda, too...and just something Alleva will have to weigh...bring in a HC and all the staff turnover that potentially goes with it...or preserve your recruits by giving O a shot, Aranda stays, and trust O to bring in a lights out QB minded OC (like Kiffen).
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:50 am to Datbayoubengal
Herman is interesting. Keeping our Offense recruits definitely not an issue if Herman comes. What happens then to Aranda, and his recruits? Would O stay in that scenario or would Kiffin persuade him to Alabama? It's all speculative but some serious things to weigh for the AD in any situation. A drop in the bucket at that.
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