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Why do schools continue to sign coaches to crazy contracts?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:15 pm
I have no issue with the salaries. In fact, you could argue that the top coaches are underpaid.
But the buyouts and the length are inexcusable and are given for no reason.
Why would Muschamp have a $13,000,000 buyout? Who exactly was trying to hire him away?
Why would Malzahn have a $21,000,000 buyout? He almost got fired the year before.
Orgeron has a crazy contract. Now coordinators are getting 3-year guaranteed deals.
These athletic directors are horrible negotiators. Top college jobs are highly coveted.
But the buyouts and the length are inexcusable and are given for no reason.
Why would Muschamp have a $13,000,000 buyout? Who exactly was trying to hire him away?
Why would Malzahn have a $21,000,000 buyout? He almost got fired the year before.
Orgeron has a crazy contract. Now coordinators are getting 3-year guaranteed deals.
These athletic directors are horrible negotiators. Top college jobs are highly coveted.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
That ahitnia gonna swing back the other way soon.there is only 1 Saban and 1 Dabo. Everyone else is not worth it
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:31 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Also, for coaches over 50+ years old with a huge buyout, what incentive is there to over-achieve or work that extra 1-2 hours a day?
They’ll never admit it, but I’m sure there comes a point for many older coaches (Gus Malzahn being the most recent example), secretly WANT to be fired.
They’ll never admit it, but I’m sure there comes a point for many older coaches (Gus Malzahn being the most recent example), secretly WANT to be fired.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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These athletic directors are horrible negotiators. Top college jobs are highly coveted.
Agreed.
Fully guaranteed multi-year contracts may have hit a tipping point though this year with AD budgets under so much scrutiny.
Only a rare few deserve (and performance justifies) the large long-term contracts: Saban, Dabo, and Meyer (if he wants to coach again). End of list.
The fear of losing a coach and creating instability pushes ADs to pay absurd amounts.
Hot take: Quality college football coaches are not a rare breed. The quality of the program (conference, facilities, talent richness in-state, legacy) matters more than the coach.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 12:19 am to JPLSU1981
None of them want to be fired
Posted on 12/18/20 at 5:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
See Bo Pelini Contract for example. Guy hadnt coached a defense in 10 years plus. No one wanted the guy as a coach and LSU says hey we'll give you two plus million a year to coach a defense. Shouldnt the first question have been have you coached against the spread before? Not for LSU i guess
I'm sure he will be back next year because of the stupid contract he was given.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 5:56 am to FLObserver
Not just paying him 2.3 million a year. 2.3 million a year guaranteed, even if we fire him
Posted on 12/18/20 at 6:09 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Not understanding the buyouts either. Why does O even have a buyout?
Posted on 12/18/20 at 6:39 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Two reasons:
1. You have to show financial commitment or top recruits will go elsewhere. Players want stability.
2. You have to offer best terms or top coaches will just negotiate with the next program.
1. You have to show financial commitment or top recruits will go elsewhere. Players want stability.
2. You have to offer best terms or top coaches will just negotiate with the next program.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 6:51 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Because outside supporters have donated billions into football programs and fans pay obscene prices to attend games that have become commercialized cesspools.
Cut the money off like what is happening in pro sports and see what starts to happen.
Cut the money off like what is happening in pro sports and see what starts to happen.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 5:28 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:
1. You have to show financial commitment or top recruits will go elsewhere. Players want stability.
2. You have to offer best terms or top coaches will just negotiate with the next program.
Recruits aren't diving into the weeds of contracts and looking at buyouts. Just having a coach under a lengthy contract is enough for recruiting purposes, even if the buyout is minimal.
Besides, schools have shown a willingness to fire coaches even with 8-figure buyouts. So the buyouts DON'T actually show commitment or longevity.
I would be willing to pay a coach substantially more in salary, to avoid the buyout issue.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 7:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
What the market will bear, but you can't afford to make a mistake, as we have learned the hard way.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Because it’s not their money.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:38 pm to stat19
Sure, but having that money tied up hamstrings them from certain decisions.
And there is not a bottomless pit of money.
Boosters giving money to buy out coaches, is less money those same boosters donate for other things the AD needs.
And there is not a bottomless pit of money.
Boosters giving money to buy out coaches, is less money those same boosters donate for other things the AD needs.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:43 am to Bjorn Cyborg
What leverage do you have when things are somewhat industry standard? If you wait to long, another rival school is will scoop him up. When you fire coaches in the SEC every other year, guys won’t come coach your program without huge guarantees and leave their current situations.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 12:21 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Coaching is kind of like a fraternal organization mixed with communism. There are 100s of high school coaches out there better than bielema but apparently he knows some people. It really is that simple.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 12:25 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:
1. You have to show financial commitment or top recruits will go elsewhere. Players want stability.
This is a myth created by agents. Recruits are not analyzing buyouts.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 5:56 am to Bjorn Cyborg
The market sets the contracts. That’s the way economics work.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 7:36 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Agents. Leverage. Security. How desperate/ determined is a school to win/ upgrade?
It’s the agents job to get the best deal for his client.
The buyouts are in place to serve as a deterrent to the school from firing the coach. Might buy him another season to turn the program around or get it going in the right direction.
It serves as security for the coach. They all know going in they’re going to be fired one day. And that damages their reputation and hire ability.
So if you want said coach to take this job, you may have to lure him in with years and guaranteed money. Otherwise, you’re picking from a different tier of coaches.
Another thing - how much leverage does this coach have? If he’s coming off a 10-win Sugar Bowl season , or if he’s the hottest name coordinator out there, that contract or extension is going to cost you.
It’s the agents job to get the best deal for his client.
The buyouts are in place to serve as a deterrent to the school from firing the coach. Might buy him another season to turn the program around or get it going in the right direction.
It serves as security for the coach. They all know going in they’re going to be fired one day. And that damages their reputation and hire ability.
So if you want said coach to take this job, you may have to lure him in with years and guaranteed money. Otherwise, you’re picking from a different tier of coaches.
Another thing - how much leverage does this coach have? If he’s coming off a 10-win Sugar Bowl season , or if he’s the hottest name coordinator out there, that contract or extension is going to cost you.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:44 am to wheelz007
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Another thing - how much leverage does this coach have?
Exactly my point. Coaches with little leverage are being given golden parachutes.
Muschamp had no leverage. He was a failed head coach, who wanted another shot at an SEC program.
Gus had no leverage. Orgeron had no leverage.
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