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re: Why did Ensminger not get the credit he deserved?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:04 am to IowaCityTigerFan
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:04 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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You see all those job offers flying Ensminger’s way?
I sure don’t.
Before you say “he’s old” he is only 3 years older than our current coach. And 7 years younger than Saban.
If he’s so good, why does nobody want him?
He has retired from on-field coaching. You think he is out hunting for other jobs? He loves LSU and is probably fine with being an analyst or whatever his role currently is with LSU.
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:28 am to Ponchy Tiger
Slinger did a good job
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:30 am to Ponchy Tiger
While both Coach O and Coach E deserve credit for a 2019, let’s get real. Joe was the catalyst and by far responsible for the results of that season.
I have seen some great college quarterbacks play and I know I’m prejudice, but I have never seen a quarterback have as remarkable of a year as Joe had. I know the guy had talent around him, but he was simply amazing that year as he made big play after a big play after a big play. Any of the voters for the Heisman Trophy who didn’t vote for him, should’ve had their voting privileges taken away.
I have seen some great college quarterbacks play and I know I’m prejudice, but I have never seen a quarterback have as remarkable of a year as Joe had. I know the guy had talent around him, but he was simply amazing that year as he made big play after a big play after a big play. Any of the voters for the Heisman Trophy who didn’t vote for him, should’ve had their voting privileges taken away.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:35 am to Ponchy Tiger
People wanted to validate bashing O for hiring him in the first place, and continue the narrative that 2019 was a one-off year and O was a complete failure outside of that. “Lucked into Joe Brady and Joe Burrow”
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:40 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Some people want to bash on him for 2018 but the 2018 offense was good.
The 2018 offense was fricking terrible.
The best thing to happen to is was a 7 OT loss that padded our scoring stats with 7 possessions on the 25 against a gassed defense.
In regulation we scored 29.2 PPG which would put our scoring in the 60s
We were 59th in Total TDs. Including the 5 OT TDs. In regulation we scored 43 TDs which would put us tied for 85th. We scored 44 in 2017.
It’s why we were still 69th in Total
offense. We could only gain 25 yards an OT drive.
We were 67th in Passing Offense and 88th in Passing TDs.
We made up for that by being 59th in Rushing offense and 29th in Rushing TDs.
That offense, was objectively bad.
We were 82nd in converting Redzone appearances into TDS.
It looks OK because we had a kicker who was automatic up to 40 and we had 7 OT to add 41 points (our third highest game total) to our PPG without adding a game.
“Joe Burrow only had a fall camp!”
Every other QB looked like shite in the spring. That’s why we got Burrow.
“We got better as the season went on! Looks at UCF!”
Our top 3 scoring games in regulation were
1. Ole Miss 45
2. Rice 41
3. UCF 40
Ole Miss was week 5. We scored in shitty defenses (except when we didn’t, like 24 points against a terrible Arkansas Defense)
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:59 am to SammyTiger
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The 2018 offense was fricking terrible.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 10:02 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:03 am to Harry Morgan
Here I have fact when all I needed Was a facepalm emoji.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:03 am to SammyTiger
Weren't players like giles and dillon playing over guys like chase?
Chase didn't play as much as you think.
Giles and dillon played a lot to begin the year.
It wasn't the same offense as 2019. None of the players were who they were in 2019. How can you fail to see that?
I'm not saying ensminger was the mastermind. What i am saying is it was a differnt team.
Chase didn't play as much as you think.
Giles and dillon played a lot to begin the year.
It wasn't the same offense as 2019. None of the players were who they were in 2019. How can you fail to see that?
I'm not saying ensminger was the mastermind. What i am saying is it was a differnt team.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:03 am to Ponchy Tiger
I talk with Steve from time to time. He never really wanted the attention and was happy to deflect it towards Brady. He basically jump started the swell of misguided credit and just went about his business. He was/is a really smart guy.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:03 am to SammyTiger
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Here I have fact when all I needed Was a facepalm emoji.
Facts.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:08 am to Chalkywhite84
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Weren't players like giles and dillon playing over guys like chase?
Chase didn't play as much as you think.
That’s not an excuse for a guy who decides who plays.
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Giles and dillon played a lot to begin the year.
Who chose who was playing?
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It wasn't the same offense as 2019. None of the players were who they were in 2019. How can you fail to see that?
How can you watch both seasons and think the scheme was the same?
Yes of course the all improved with experience but this improvement is way too much.
And if you have a passing knowledge of football you can see how schematically different out offenses were.
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I'm not saying ensminger was the mastermind. What i am saying is it was a differnt team.
It was a slightly older team playing in a much much better scheme.
You could watch Joe and see a smart QB who was struggling to make nothing but deep throws and out routes.
Joe Burrow went from 16 TD to 60. That’s not just 1 season of personal growthz
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:09 am to Harry Morgan
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Facts.
Literally everything I posted Was objectively true.
Every stat is accurate. Ole Miss was the 5th game of the year and our best offensive output in regulation.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:11 am to SammyTiger
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Giles and dillon played a lot to begin the year.
Who chose who was playing
The wide receivers coach.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:13 am to SammyTiger
out of what? 130 teams? i'll cut him some slack and call it average. middle of road. 2018 offense rankings.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:15 am to SammyTiger
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Weren't players like giles and dillon playing over guys like chase?
Chase didn't play as much as you think.
That’s not an excuse for a guy who decides who plays.
First of all you are missing the point. What I'm saying is brady had a much better cast to work with.
It doesn't matter who told those players to play but it was jerry sullivan the pgc and mickey Joseph.
Do you think the offense would be the same in 2019 with brady's concepts if dillon and giles played a bunch of the snaps?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:18 am to Chalkywhite84
So are you saying E couldn’t tell Mickey and Sullivan we are playing Chase and Marshall?
He didn’t have the authority to do that?
That’s what you’re going to argue?
So either E had no clue who the best WRs were, and should be criticized for it. Or he knew and didn’t do anything, and should be criticized for it.
CEH averaged more YPG and got 100 less carries than Brossette.
And no we wouldn’t have been as good, but we would have been significantly better.
He didn’t have the authority to do that?
That’s what you’re going to argue?
So either E had no clue who the best WRs were, and should be criticized for it. Or he knew and didn’t do anything, and should be criticized for it.
CEH averaged more YPG and got 100 less carries than Brossette.
And no we wouldn’t have been as good, but we would have been significantly better.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:19 am to SammyTiger
2018 Preseason AP and Coaches Polls.
LSU picked near the bottom in both polls.
LSU finished 6th in the AP and 7th in the Coaches.
Finished in the final rankings ahead of at least 4 other teams in the final Top 20 offensive rankings. Some teams in that Top 20 didn’t make the final 25.
LSU was on its 3rd OC since 2016. Ensminger wanted to be a position coach, not, OC.
LSU picked near the bottom in both polls.
LSU finished 6th in the AP and 7th in the Coaches.
Finished in the final rankings ahead of at least 4 other teams in the final Top 20 offensive rankings. Some teams in that Top 20 didn’t make the final 25.
LSU was on its 3rd OC since 2016. Ensminger wanted to be a position coach, not, OC.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:27 am to Harry Morgan
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2018 Preseason AP and Coaches Polls.
LSU picked near the bottom in both polls.
LSU finished 6th in the AP and 7th in the Coaches.
Finished in the final rankings ahead of at least 4 other teams in the final Top 20 offensive rankings. Some teams in that Top 20 didn’t make the final 25.
Well, our defense did hold opponents to 15.3 PPG in wins. Are you a new LSU fan? Because winning 10 games and having a terrible offense shouldn’t be a new concept for you.
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LSU was on its 3rd OC since 2016. Ensminger wanted to be a position coach, not, OC.
Ok, and? I give E credit for being a great guy and as true a Tiger as ever was, but those facts alone don’t change the stats
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:34 am to SammyTiger
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Why did Ensminger not get the credit he deserved?
The simple answers are 1) He's a humble guy and 2) He didn't get it done without Joe Brady in his other outings as the OC.
Knowing nothing besides the general knowledge from the outside, it seems to me the Ensminger provided a good foundation of coaching on offense, but required something extra to make them excel. I know it seemed to me at the time that the offense immediately seemed better coached (less penalties, plays coming in with plenty of time, more disciplined play), even if the scheme wasn't creative. That gave Brady a secure spot to work his creativity from without all of the other responsibilities of being the OC. 2019 probably doesn't happen without Ensminger. It absolutely doesn't happen without Brady. And of course, it never happens without Burrow.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:38 am to SammyTiger
I’ve been an LSU fan longer than you.
The point is, stats don’t tell the whole story. LSU had an average offense at best and still won 10 games and finished 6-7 when no one expected it.
The point is, stats don’t tell the whole story. LSU had an average offense at best and still won 10 games and finished 6-7 when no one expected it.
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