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re: Who's good enough that LSU won't have to fire him?
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:11 am to LSUbest
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:11 am to LSUbest
Well I’m certainly not trying to discount winning, but if we are looking at this just at a glance, I prefer to compare the coach to their predecessor at the same stop.
People have their qualms about Lane Kiffin as a program builder, but look at his predecessors at FAU and Ole Miss and compare them to Lane. Immediate turn around at both stops. His win % does have to be 80% to be impressive
Nick Saban won 58% of his games at Michigan St. sometimes your resources will cap your ceiling.
People have their qualms about Lane Kiffin as a program builder, but look at his predecessors at FAU and Ole Miss and compare them to Lane. Immediate turn around at both stops. His win % does have to be 80% to be impressive
Nick Saban won 58% of his games at Michigan St. sometimes your resources will cap your ceiling.
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Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:13 am to Lester Earl
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The correlations you are attempting to make through win% at other schools
Like this for context:
Les Miles at each stop
Okie State .571
LSU .770
Kansas .143
Not all jobs are created equal.
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:19 am to LSUbest
I think it’s the lack of competitiveness. I have been watching LSU football for 50 years. Last Saturday I watched the World Series. I switched over during the replay of the punt return. Went back to the World Series. There seems to be a lot of talent all over the field. Being embarrassed on your home field by AM was the nail.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:19 am to LSUbest
There you go. You've gone and done it and I'll never forgive you. You've made me agree with and upvote Lester Earl.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:20 am to LSUbest
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How do you measure a coach?
To answer your question in 2025 football, the prerequisite is to be an offensive minded coach. So you start there.
Then I think you look at year to year success of QB development, and how you handle change at that position.
The two most important roles in football are 1- your play caller and 2- your QB
So you lock in an offensive minded coach with a built in system that understands which type of QB fits your system.
This mitigates having to re-hire OCs all the time. You miss on an OC, and you lose years. This mitigates trying to go from Jayden Daniels to Nussmeier, two totally different types of QB. You pick the wrong QB, and you lose years, too.
Lock in your offensive guy and have your QB spot be turnkey. Put up numbers, which attracts recruits(not an issue at LSU, but they have another level to reach that Kelly couldn’t), makes lsu a locked in competitor every single year.
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:26 am to Tigershine
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There you go. You've gone and done it and I'll never forgive you. You've made me agree with and upvote Lester Earl.
You'll forget with time.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:28 am to Lester Earl
By offensive minded I assumed just because a guy was a former defensive coordinator doesn’t make him conservative offensively by default. You meant literally only hiring former offensive coordinators? I can’t agree with that. Lanning and Smart for example are doing well. Saban did well. Maybe I misunderstood?
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:32 am to 79ABTEXTIGER
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I think it’s the lack of competitiveness.
I agree. The product Kelly put on the field was embarrassing. I think (to me) they could have lost without him being fired. But he was warned.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:45 am to Sofaking2
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You meant literally only hiring former offensive coordinators? I can’t agree with that. Lanning and Smart for example are doing well. Saban did well. Maybe I misunderstood?
Yes. Trying to hire off of outliers is dangerous.
Lanning is intriguing despite his cupcake schedules, but look at his losses.
In the P12 he was 0-3 vs Doboer (offensive guy) & Pennix in two seasons.
Was blown out in his 1st game vs Georgia, 49-3.
He’s split with Ohio State, 1-1, getting boat raced in the biggest game of his career in the semi final game last year.
You lose to Cignetti(another offensive guy) and Indiana at home (lol) this year, another failed test.
You come into the SEC and you go from playing 1 big game a year in the B10 to playing 4-5 each year. Your margin for losing shrinks by 10x. It’s not favorable to defensive coaches despite what Kirby is doing(has created a recruiting super power that continues to snoball)
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:55 am to Lester Earl
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The two most important roles in football are 1- your play caller and 2- your QB
So you lock in an offensive minded coach with a built in system that understands which type of QB fits your system.
I like it. And Kiffin does seem to fit.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:01 am to Godfather1
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And Urban is still only 61 years old.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:04 am to Fat Bastard
Urban is a cancer. Do not want.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:05 am to LSUbest
I’d rather Kiffin have to hire a DC every 3 years than Lanning having to hire an OC every 3 years.
It’s hard to win with even an average offense. But you can make do with an average defense if your offense is gangbusters.
It’s hard to win with even an average offense. But you can make do with an average defense if your offense is gangbusters.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:31 am to LSUbest
GOLESH....he would move into the upper echelon of college coaches like Smart, Sarkisian, Lanning, Day did when they were given a real program to work with.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:47 am to Lester Earl
He does seem to be QB focused, and it shows up in performance.
Do you think Heupel has a similar strategy?
I like what he's doing with Aguilar.
It seems like the new college QB needs to be drafted up from the "minors" rather than making a large investment in them and they transfer out.
Do you think Heupel has a similar strategy?
I like what he's doing with Aguilar.
It seems like the new college QB needs to be drafted up from the "minors" rather than making a large investment in them and they transfer out.
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 10:49 am
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:48 am to LSUbest
#5 on your list
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:49 am to LSUbest
Thinking about this in terms of W-L misses the point.
We went 8.7–3.3 with basically no head coach. That’s fricking awesome. Georgia, a program that’s our approximate equal in terms of historic prestige, resources, recruiting, etc. is averaging +2 wins/yr over us with their literal GOAT coach. Ole Miss is +0.5 wins/yr better than us with their best coach since desegregation. Even an average coach could be +1 win/yr better than someone who didn’t do a fricking thing in four years. And that would put us in annual playoff contention.
Kelly didn’t get fired for “only” going 8.7–3.3, he got fired for being a bum who didn’t do anything.
We went 8.7–3.3 with basically no head coach. That’s fricking awesome. Georgia, a program that’s our approximate equal in terms of historic prestige, resources, recruiting, etc. is averaging +2 wins/yr over us with their literal GOAT coach. Ole Miss is +0.5 wins/yr better than us with their best coach since desegregation. Even an average coach could be +1 win/yr better than someone who didn’t do a fricking thing in four years. And that would put us in annual playoff contention.
Kelly didn’t get fired for “only” going 8.7–3.3, he got fired for being a bum who didn’t do anything.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:50 am to LSUbest
Better question is does Kelly get fired if he had made the playoff at some point in his first 3 years?
Posted on 11/1/25 at 10:51 am to LSUbest
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Do you think Heupel has a similar strategy?
yes, for sure. Has a long history of turnkey offenses.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 11:01 am to QB
I'm down to 3.
Kiffin, Cignetti, Golesh.
Yea, I think he'd be a good choice.
Kiffin, Cignetti, Golesh.
Yea, I think he'd be a good choice.
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