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re: Which DCs will fit well with O?

Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:15 pm to
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For the most part, the secondary was terrible due to freshman & sophomores and the abysmal play of our safeties. They were out of position for entire games. Also, whatever the hell Pelini was scheming.

Well, freshmen and sophomores make up over half your team on any given year so you gotta coach them o be good as well. And again, you have 3 5-stars starting in your secondary, your 2 safeties were seniors. I agree Pelini was weak, but the secondary was 90% of the problem on D. I’m not saying fire Raymond, but I am questioning promoting him to DC after his position group was absolutely terrible!
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 1:16 pm
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8693 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:23 pm to
Only concern with him is he has never been a DC in his own right except as a co-dc for a very short time. Maybe he would be great but as a DC he could be a pretty big risk. Kind of like thinking every great coordinator can be a great head coach. We know that doesn't always corollate.
Posted by Voodoo_Tiger
Texas
Member since Mar 2018
120 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:26 pm to
Thank you.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285141 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:27 pm to
Corey Raymond is not an option unless you make him co-dc with a young guy like Freeman
Posted by Voodoo_Tiger
Texas
Member since Mar 2018
120 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:31 pm to
Been reading TD”a for years, posting some. All I’m talking about are three possibilities.

I don care about them, but what’s with dislikes?
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:34 pm to
Oh, we get on here and obsess over this bullshite and build a wall against a guy in a matter of hours because we over analyze it all. Please ignore it! That’ll be a key to survival around here!
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
2297 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 1:54 pm to
A thinker and a Top Recruiter. Able to relate to the players. With the appropriate intellect and adaptability to the players on the team, the youngest option has a lot more appeal.

I'm weary about NFL coaches because of recruiting. Do they have the passion to tirelessly recruit. Do they have the personality to appeal to recruits or do they give off the persona that football more of a business to them[?].

I like that Freeman is currently in the role. Need to have the ability to hit the ground running.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:03 pm to
Anyone Pete Caroll approves for him.
Posted by cj35
Member since Jan 2014
6153 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:15 pm to
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Which DCs will fit well with O?


Any that are arse-kissers, have no spine, no chest, and generally just suck overall.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
31329 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:41 pm to
Freeman is elite at both

Thats why u do whatever it takes to get him

I think they are going to make him tell them no before they move on
Posted by MONROE
In the belly of the beast
Member since Sep 2015
2931 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:42 pm to
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Derek Mason. I like the guy, but his record is pretty bad


We would hire him as a DC. Who gives a shite what his record as a HC is?
Posted by MONROE
In the belly of the beast
Member since Sep 2015
2931 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:43 pm to
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Anyone Pete Caroll approves for him.


You mean John Robinson
Posted by MONROE
In the belly of the beast
Member since Sep 2015
2931 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:47 pm to
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but the secondary was 90% of the problem on D


Do you realize that Raymond coaches CB? The safeties were the major problem along with the LB. If you can’t see that, you don’t know football.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19250 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 3:49 pm to
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Interesting how those were the 3 you mention, it’s almost like they all have something in common. What about Ryan Nielson or Brad White? Why didn’t you mention those guys?


The top 3 guys (allegedly, anyway) all coincidentally happen to be black. I’m sure the guys you mentioned are good too, and maybe one will get hired, but Imagine if Coach O went to Woodward and said “I like these 3 guys,” and Woodward answered like this.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Voodoo_Tiger
Texas
Member since Mar 2018
120 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 6:28 pm to
Is he supposedly like that?

If nothing else, y’all have sold me on Freeman
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 7:05 pm to
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The top 3 guys (allegedly, anyway) all coincidentally happen to be black. I’m sure the guys you mentioned are good too, and maybe one will get hired, but Imagine if Coach O went to Woodward and said “I like these 3 guys,” and Woodward answered like this.

I get that and get how I may have come off. FWIW, I think Freeman is the best choice. And my initial objection to the post have less todo with the OP and more to do with the writer of the article. I don’t think Raymond is a serious candidate. I think you gotta give him an interview bc of his tenure with the team, but they ain’t gonna hand him the reigns. From the guys I’ve spoke to outside of here the 2 names I consistently hear are Nielson(1st and foremost) and White. Obviously with all the smoke there might be a level of interest in Mason, but his scheme and history makes him not my “cup of tea”.
Posted by cj35
Member since Jan 2014
6153 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 7:36 pm to
Ryan Clark
Posted by msbargas
Ponte vedra beach FL
Member since Sep 2009
727 posts
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:41 pm to
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Raymond should not be a candidate. He has never called a defense before. Freeman is far and away the best candidate of the three.


Raymond could be a good DC with the right mentoring, but the timing is not good now, coming off the Pelini disaster.
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