re: What do y’all think? (OC)

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Interesting.
Thanks for the input!!
I’d much prefer someone that would be a great hire on AND off the paper. Someone with the intangibles. Leadership, adaptability, recruiting, relatability with the players, etc.
Ensminger brought refreshing change (he played a role in the whole Brady thing because he was humble and accepted that he needed help). But I think it’s time for BOTH our coordinators to be the kind of guys that have that “IT” factor. Because when the coaches have it, it makes it much easier to get that factor out of the players if they have it as well. It can be contagious in a sense.
These players deserve the best all around coordinator.. so far the info I’m learning of Moorehead via this discussion and article, tell me it could be considered a lazy hire.
I hope they dig deep and really work hard to find the right fit. Not just a guy that can call plays.

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not even close to a lazy hire. It would be a homerun IMO as its the safest bet. Question again goes back to what kind of OC do you want and how much risk are you willing to take?

stats on moorehead

Penn St. 2016 - 56.2% RUN / 43.8% PASS
Penn St. 2017 - 49.1% RUN / 50.9% PASS ( This was with DaeSean Hamilton/Mike Gesicki/McSorley/Barkley) - This is what you would be hoping for but its not his norm.
Miss St. 2018 - 61% RUN / 39% PASS
Miss St. 2019 - 62% RUN / 38% PASS
ORE 2020 - 57.3% RUN / 42.7% PASS


Do you want more run oriented or do you want more passing. Outside of 2017 he has been more heavy run.


Joe Moorehead (since he is getting play)

2015 Penn State (pre moorehead for reference:
total plays: 868
Pts per:23
Yards Per: 349
Rushing Per:134 @ 4.1
Passing Per:215 @ 6.9

2016 PSU (1st year)
total plays; 955
pts per: 37
yards per: 433
rushing per: 172@4.5
passing per: 261 @ 9.3 per

2017 PSU (2nd Year)
total plays- 938
pts per:41
yards per: 460
rushing per:170@4.9 per
passing per: 290@8.2 per

2018 PSU( Post Moorehead)
total plays- 931
pts per: 45.6
yards per:423
rushing per:205@5.1 per
Passing per: 218@7.5


oregon

2019(pre moorehead)
total plays: 981
pts:35.4
total- 433
rushing: 175@4.8
passing: 258@8.1


2020 with moorehead
total plays:392
pts: 33.7
total: 429.7
rushing: 180@4.9
passing: 250@9.2



He isnt a big recruiter but is a really good coach and play caller. Very safe hire with a very high floor. Not a lazy hire and would be considered an A+ hire by almost every pundit in the industry. Again question goes back to the scheme you want and if you are willing to risk more to have more of a recruiter, not just a bad arse coach and good play caller.


If you want stats on pretty much every person mentioned here, look in this thread.

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Dam. That’s some good stuff/input.
Thanks for sharing the info. Definitely broadens my opinion of him as a candidate.

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What about a DJ mangus working with Russ Calloway? Need a work horse that will be around for year's. Only problem is he is in Joe Brady's back pocket. It will be interesting which way they go. Hope I didn't screw this one up. Be nice to the elderly fellows.

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what i think its I am really glad you are not in charge of making decisions


Lets set the record straight, yes Bradys offense was amazing but #1, he had a first rounder at every skill position. also 3 olineman that are starting as rookies.

#2 Mangus was absoletly horrible as a play caller the one year he was OC. Has he learned since then...sure but he has not proven a thing and if he was so good, we would have offered him PGC last year. He is a glorified secretary until he goes and proves it on the field.


Callaway gets a lot of play especially for those saying no air raid. Guess what...Callaway is air raid. the offense regressed when he took over averaging 51 less rush yards and 139 less yards overall. rushing for a half yard less per.

rushing fell off even more in his second season and they averaged less than 3 yards per carry. 2018 was a better year overall and it was a great offense averaging over 500 per @ over 38 pts per. 2019 saw a big dip but he ran it a lot better.


so what do I think about Mangus paired with Calloway....I think its a lazy opinion and would be the definition of a lazy hire. I am fine with callaway if that is who you want. He has the skins on the wall atleast. mangus can come be an analyst or needs to go prove it somewhere else imo. But brady was an unknown too so maybe Mangus has learded i dunno but they there are much safer options out there that need to be explored first.

to me...Calloway with mangus or even munoz is high ceiling low floor. Could be great, but could also 100% cost O his job in short order.

and if you want to go that route why not Lombardi with Callaway and mangus as a possible position coach or analyst?

or if you want Callaway as OC, why not go Graham Harrell? Callaway runs same system with less results at a lower lever.

again here are the stats for almost every OC mentioned here
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People say Joe Brady ran the “Saints Offense” when in reality it was heavily influenced by Joe Moorehead’s system. Yeah there was some Sean Payton stuff in there but the RPO/Glance concepts and Spread stuff in general was the Joe Moorehead offense

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It was Joe Moorehead’s RPO influence using Sean Payton’s formations specifically his bunch formations.

I would be all in for Moorehead as OC. He is a very good one and could possibly be a long term option there. I doubt he gets a head coaching spot anytime soon.

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Very safe hire with a very high floor. Not a lazy hire and would be considered an A+ hire by almost every pundit in the industry.

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I don't think O has the luxury of hiring a high risk Coordinator right now! He could promote Calloway to PGC if he wants to help out with his development and keep him around for a potential transition to OC if JM leaves down the road.

Give Moorehead the talent and he will produce results.

At the end of the day Scott Woodward will make sure O doesn't screw it up. With the talent we have, you can hire a top ten OC and will be successful. He has to jive with Coach O and recruit. Look at Matt canida. We all wanted him. Him and O had a bay tie in the locker room. It didn’t work out. It will be interesting. You can’t always go off stats. That’s a piece of the puzzle. Great chat. Like I said great research.

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At the end of the day Scott Woodward will make sure O doesn't screw it up

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Like the Bo Pelini hire where he suggested and almost insisted O hire him

Scott needs to work on his contract negotiation skills and leave the football decisions to the football guys. O needs to be able to hire who he wants, period. Its his job on the line, not Scotts.

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People think the Running scheme is complicated. It’s just a basic Inside/Outside Zone that every Spread team in the country runs. It’s not complicated. It’s all on the cohesion of your offensive line that determines it’s success

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Oh I agree. its all we have run with the counter mixed in. I would like to see more true stretch and zone cut back mixed in some.

But I also want to be able to run from under center some too. I love what bama does with being multiple.

LSU777
I appreciate you bringing the facts along with your opinion to this discussion. That’s exactly what I asked for in my OP.
Great stuff. And after reading all your input and the agreement from others that seem to know what they’re talking about as well, you’ve swayed my opinion to being one of support in hiring Moorehead.
Seems my initial opinion based on what I had read up to that point in time was wrong.
It’s good to know we’ve got several different options that could find success at LSU because ima firm believer that these players (elite talent that chose us over Bama, Georgia, Clemson etc.) truly deserve great coaches. So I’m relieved to know that there are some great ones on LSU’s radar.

And your reason for the downvote being...?