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re: What do the 4 Final NFL Teams All have in Common?
Posted on 1/17/11 at 9:28 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 1/17/11 at 9:28 pm to TheCaterpillar
The reason the college game is so different is because the whole front 7 on every NFL team is fast. It is a lot harder for a guy like Reggie Bush to dance around in space to make plays. NFL players are just too athletic and fast.
The college game is more watered down so few teams have more than 1 or 2 guys who will end up being true starters in the front 7 in the NFL.
The college game is more watered down so few teams have more than 1 or 2 guys who will end up being true starters in the front 7 in the NFL.
This post was edited on 1/17/11 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 1/17/11 at 9:47 pm to Lester Earl
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Nfl /=/ cfb
This is true. And, it should be painfully obvious given that the 2 final teams this year in college football did run "junk ball offenses".
I don't disagree that we should be running a pro style offense. It is my personal preference. But the OP made a very poor argument for it...and, it should be pretty clear that in college football, finesse offenses can succeed at the highest levels.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 9:50 pm to 7 Moves
They all have quarterbacks drafted in the 1st round.
I win.
I win.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 10:49 pm to ctalati32
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Do you consider what the Saints do "pro-style" football. It's not too dissimilar to the Air Raid type of O. ...
Actually you're incorrect. SP is a west coast offense guy. You may think 'air raid' because the Saints throw it much more than the typical pro-style offense, however its not even close and apparently you have no idea
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:21 pm to moneyg
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I don't disagree that we should be running a pro style offense. It is my personal preference
It's my preference too. But it's difficult to find the right QB to fit into that system. Too many HS teams are running spread versions....shoot many HS QBs wont even take many snaps under center these days.
Offensive labels aren't really important to me though. It all about how you adjust to your personnel as well as the defense. That is why Crowton is out of a job. I just hope he was the right person to blame.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:40 am to 7 Moves
NFL offfense is different from college. The thing that makes it so different is preparation time. The players have more time to prepare with far less limits allowing them to run any and every type of offense, or the buzz word "multiple". Most pro teams like to avoid hits on the QB at all costs so zone read plays are less effective and generally avoided. Most successfull college offenses try to perfect a system of offense, and therefore are less "multiple". This is why college QBs in a non "pro-style" offense generally need more development. Mostly with reading defenses to make adjustments while taking snaps under center rather than in the shotgun. This will change field vision, timing and foot work.
The common thread among successfull NFL offenses are VERY accurate QBs with an effective running game. This is also true at the college level despite the style of offense. If a team can effectively balance the run and pass, that offense is successful. Teams that are one-dimensional (air-raid, option and power running without intermediate and vertical passing) are easier to defend in bowl games after the opposing team has adequete preparation time.
I truly believe that Stanford, TCU and Bama could have beaten anybody in a bowl game because of there balanced running attack and accuracy in the passing game.
The common thread among successfull NFL offenses are VERY accurate QBs with an effective running game. This is also true at the college level despite the style of offense. If a team can effectively balance the run and pass, that offense is successful. Teams that are one-dimensional (air-raid, option and power running without intermediate and vertical passing) are easier to defend in bowl games after the opposing team has adequete preparation time.
I truly believe that Stanford, TCU and Bama could have beaten anybody in a bowl game because of there balanced running attack and accuracy in the passing game.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:47 am to Angry LLAMA
You are the defense. What am I going to do here and how will you stop me?
You are the defense. What am I going to do here and how will you stop me?
Which ever one you think is less predictable, provides balanced protection for a run or pass play, and can be used on 1st down just as well as 4th down, is the better formation.
You are the defense. What am I going to do here and how will you stop me?
Which ever one you think is less predictable, provides balanced protection for a run or pass play, and can be used on 1st down just as well as 4th down, is the better formation.
This post was edited on 1/18/11 at 12:56 am
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:55 am to TheCaterpillar
You are comparing college to NFL. It's apples and oranges. It takes totally different systems to win in each. Florida and Auburn have won 2 MNC running the spread.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 1:14 am to LSUFreek
i would say 1 is harder to stop. You put a Tebow, Vince Young, Newton, Darron Thomas, Terrelle Pryor, etc at QB, and that formation is just as effective in terms of run/pass.
Pro style is great if you have the personnel and coaching to do it. See Andrew Luck and Harbaugh. It's pretty rare to have that combination in CFB though.
Pro style is great if you have the personnel and coaching to do it. See Andrew Luck and Harbaugh. It's pretty rare to have that combination in CFB though.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:00 am to LSUFreek
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LSUFreek
To much common sense in that post
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:02 am to Lester Earl
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would say 1 is harder to stop. You put a Tebow, Vince Young, Newton, Darron Thomas, Terrelle Pryor, etc at QB, and that formation is just as effective in terms of run/pass.
You could also make the argument that if you have John Brantley or Jordan Jefferson at QB and that spread formation is virtually ineffective and your team could suffer as a result. It's not a stretch to say Brantley might have played better in a proform formation.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:33 am to LSUFreek
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What do the 4 Final NFL Teams All have in Common?
blue-collar fan bases
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:07 am to 7 Moves
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What do the 4 Final NFL Teams All have in Common?
QBs who did not win NCs in college?
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:16 am to 7 Moves
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The best way to build a sustainable, balanced offense with variable formation packages such as the 4 final NFL teams this year is to have a pro philosophy instead of air raid and spread option formula. Les will go in this direction in my opinion so some of you will continue to gripe like sad children.
While I agree that the spread/option is a gimick BS offense that requires a very unique skillset at QB, was the last 4 years practice? If Les is so unwilling to go in this direction, what was he doing the last 4 years? An experiment?
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:20 am to 7 Moves
Oh and fyi, although i agree that a more pro-style offensive approach is best, using an NFL comparison is baseless and irrelevant. If i were to counter your argument, I would ask the following:
What did the 2 final NCAAFB teams that played in the BCSNC both have in common?
Again, I agree with your preference of offense. However your question is stupid
What did the 2 final NCAAFB teams that played in the BCSNC both have in common?
Again, I agree with your preference of offense. However your question is stupid
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:21 am to 7 Moves
They all play great defense
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:33 am to dante
Every single one of those teams has a type of spread offense in their play book.
Steelers run a lot of 4 and 5 wide these days.
Steelers run a lot of 4 and 5 wide these days.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 11:40 am to 7 Moves
Florida won 2 titles with spread. Auburn just won. LSU won with a version. So did Texas and Oklahoma
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:19 pm to Cracking
quote:this is the common denominator. too many people think that shite offense weve been running the last 2 years is the spread, and think the good offenses we had with jimbo are pro-style. with the right coaching, both systems are extremely effective. to me, its not which system to run, but rather, which coach is good enough to get it down- no matter which scheme he prefers.
he common thread among successfull NFL offenses are VERY accurate QBs with an effective running game
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