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re: We Continue To Move The Goal Closer For O
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:42 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:42 pm to Freauxzen
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Again, why do people think this is a melt?
Pretty sure this is the first time I've commented on this situation on any board (TD, SEC, CC). "Again" would imply that I've shared my opinion previously.
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Secondly, actually no one is melting over an unknown
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No one is angry from lack of information
Have you visited this board over the last few days? We obviously would receive different scores on a reading comprehension exam.
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:44 pm to ibleedprplngld
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It started off with "O Needs to win out to be considered". Then after the Bama loss it was "I'm ok with O if he wins out." Then after the Florida loss it was "I'm ok with O as long as he brings in an elite OC." (whether they'll admit it or not, most who said this were referring to Kiffin.) Then O got the job, it's looking less and less likely that he'll be able to bring in Kiffin, which makes the likelihood of bringing in an Elite OC that much less. So now we actually have some of those same posters saying Ensminger wouldn't be that bad.
The admin who do the hiring NEVER gave wins and losses as the direct metric for O. Only some dumbass fans on here that wanted to quantify a way to hire and fire a guy.
The admin has always said that the most important thing is the direction the program is heading and what O is able to do as far as getting the team to play hard.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:44 pm to ibleedprplngld
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What I don't support is continuing to lower the bar to make it easier for O to jump over.
Show em you mean business by unfriending them on Facebook.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:47 pm to FUBAR
The melt isn't surprising. I hate the hire too.
I was all aboard the Herman express and bought all the BS.
I am still waiting for the line of coaches that I was told for years that are lined up to coach LSU. Then we hired a failed Ole Miss head coach
I was all aboard the Herman express and bought all the BS.
I am still waiting for the line of coaches that I was told for years that are lined up to coach LSU. Then we hired a failed Ole Miss head coach
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:49 pm to BeeFense5
It's a shame Les Miles wasn't retained. I really want to see more two tight end, two back, one wide receiver sets on 1st and 10. I just loved the 1970s.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:51 pm to The Pirate King
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The admin has always said that the most important thing is the direction the program is heading and what O is able to do as far as getting the team to play hard.
Are we to believe that the LSU football team would not play hard for any coach in this country other than Ed Orgeron? He holds the magic potion that no other person available has access to?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:52 pm to Choupique19
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It's a shame Les Miles wasn't retained.
Nah it was his time to go.
He needed to make room for all those coaches that you and the others said were beating the door down to coach here.
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I really want to see more two tight end, two back, one wide receiver sets on 1st and 10
You will get your different offense. But doesn't automatically mean it will be more successful.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:53 pm to ibleedprplngld
Well stated. I agree 100%.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:53 pm to FUBAR
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Pretty sure this is the first time I've commented on this situation on any board (TD, SEC, CC). "Again" would imply that I've shared my opinion previously.
Other people are routinely throwing the melt word around.
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Have you visited this board over the last few days? We obviously would receive different scores on a reading comprehension exam.
Apparently we would. How can you consider some of this unknown? We have plenty of information:
- He's 21-29 as a head coach/interim head coach
- He was spurned by USC twice
- Also ignored by Syracuse among other mid-majors
- He isn't an elite coach on either offense or defense
- The last time he was in charge of a program in full, he was a disaster
- He had no college football job only 2 years ago
- He used a media campaign to get the job, not football results
- LSU backtracked on its requirements (the OP of this post)
- He was hired during an emotional reaction by our terrible AD. He is the result of a shoddy process.
- Currently, he does not classify as an elite head coach
- We hired him to hire other people not to coach football, which is a questionable plan, and there's a CHANCE that what he planned won't even work (here's your unknown information)
- He has no semblance of an overall vision or strategy on the field, and has already gone back and forth over the type of offense he wants to run
There is some unknown information, there always is. But O isn't an enigma who has had mediocre success and we can be hopeful that he can improve. O has a terrible resume, simple as that.
So what don't we know, other than who our OC might be?
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:55 pm to ibleedprplngld
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(whether they'll admit it or not, most who said this were referring to Kiffin.)
This is important to remember. As soon as 0 was announced, there was immediately a wave of talk about Kiffin and how he was a sure thing. Now that it likely won't happen, the 0 pumpers have moved onto the argument that "well you need to take your time to make a good hire!" completely ignoring the HC hiring.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:58 pm to ibleedprplngld
The people (like me) that don't like this hire of O are as upset with the lack of a true candidate search by our incompetent A.D. as we are with the actual hiring of O. We are stuck with him (O) for the near future and must make the best of it. Hopefully, it'll work out, but I will never be confident that the administration made the best hire here.
Clearly, O was the plan all along or we had no plan at all....you choose.
Clearly, O was the plan all along or we had no plan at all....you choose.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:02 pm to Freauxzen
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How can you consider some of this unknown?
I'm referring to the hiring of an Offensive Coordinator. I've already said O wasn't my first choice for Head Coach. The OP originally wrote that "O promised us Kiffin" and then he edited his comments.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:05 pm to FUBAR
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I'm referring to the hiring of an Offensive Coordinator. I've already said O wasn't my first choice for Head Coach. The OP originally wrote that "O promised us Kiffin" and then he edited his comments.
But is it possible that the OC "melt" over the unknown is because of the situation as whole? That's kind of my point.
Let's say Herman or Jimbo are hired, and they say the same thing "I won't have an OC until after bowls." Are people as concerned in that situation as they are now?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:07 pm to BeeFense5
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He needed to make room for all those coaches that you and the others said were beating the door down to coach here.
I guess we'll never know since our Athletic Director only inquired about 3 people. 1 said no, 1 said yes, and 1 was on the fence until we gave up and snatched up the hottest defensive line coach in the country.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:10 pm to Freauxzen
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Let's say Herman or Jimbo are hired, and they say the same thing "I won't have an OC until after bowls." Are people as concerned in that situation as they are now?
When you have a known commodity at head coach, it lessens the risk at coordinator hires. If Jimbo or Herman don't get a stud OC, it won't matter because at the end of the day, it is their offense. If Saban doesn't get a stud DC, it is still his defense. Yes there is a risk that hiring the coordinator for the other side of the ball is crucial. However, when your head coach isn't particularly good at either, you have double the risk, since the offense AND defense are wholly dependent on coordinator hires.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:11 pm to Damone
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When you have a known commodity at head coach, it lessens the risk at coordinator hires. If Jimbo or Herman don't get a stud OC, it won't matter because at the end of the day, it is their offense. If Saban doesn't get a stud DC, it is still his defense. Yes there is a risk that hiring the coordinator for the other side of the ball is crucial. However, when your head coach isn't particularly good at either, you have double the risk, since the offense AND defense are wholly dependent on coordinator hires.
Bingo.
If Jimbo or Herman were here, I wouldn't be concerned with any hires honestly, OC or DC. They have a plan with how they approach the game and I'm sure they make decisions with a purpose.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:12 pm to ibleedprplngld
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:13 pm to ibleedprplngld
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So now we actually have some of those same posters saying Ensminger wouldn't be that bad.
Give him a chance, you haven't even seen his binder yet. What's the harm in giving him a 6 month contract? That way if he fails we'll have time to look for a new one.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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hate to tell you but "we" don't make the decisions
Wut?
Whether or not you believe it, your support for O made hiring him acceptable. Especially if you voted on that rigged poll.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:15 pm to Freauxzen
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But is it possible that the OC "melt" over the unknown is because of the situation as whole? That's kind of my point. Let's say Herman or Jimbo are hired, and they say the same thing "I won't have an OC until after bowls." Are people as concerned in that situation as they are now?
Very valid thoughts but that's not the situation. What do you suggest? Do we now fire Alleva so that we can search for a different Head Coach? I'm only suggesting that people take a deep breath and wait to see who we get as an OC.
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