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This Nielsen Contract Drama Reminds Me of When Dinardo was Hired
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:18 am
In 1994, when LSU was looking for a new head football coach, Pat Sullivan - then head coach of TCU - was the heavy favorite. From what I read, LSU was ready to sign this guy. But, when the topic of his $400k buyout came up, Sullivan expected LSU to pay it. LSU refused. Sullivan basically had his bags packed for Baton Rouge, and was blindsided by LSU refusing.
When Dinardo was approached, LSU asked him about his buyout. Dinardo replied "That is my problem, and I will handle it."
And as we all know, Dinardo became LSU's head coach, and Brought Back the Magic.
Vanderbilt sued Dinardo for the $280k left on his contract. A case that Vanderbilt eventually won 3 years later.
I bring this up because I've seen people blaming LSU for somehow not knowing the particulars of Nielsen's contract. It isn't LSU's job to understand Nielsen's current contract. And if Nielsen breaches his contract with the Saints, that is between Nielsen and the Saints. That's why these guys have lawyers and agents.
When Dinardo was approached, LSU asked him about his buyout. Dinardo replied "That is my problem, and I will handle it."
And as we all know, Dinardo became LSU's head coach, and Brought Back the Magic.
Vanderbilt sued Dinardo for the $280k left on his contract. A case that Vanderbilt eventually won 3 years later.
I bring this up because I've seen people blaming LSU for somehow not knowing the particulars of Nielsen's contract. It isn't LSU's job to understand Nielsen's current contract. And if Nielsen breaches his contract with the Saints, that is between Nielsen and the Saints. That's why these guys have lawyers and agents.
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:29 am to boxcarbarney
Sullivan at TCU was 2-8-1, 4-7, 7-5, 6-5 and then LSU came calling. WTF.
ETA, deleted a couple seasons.
ETA, deleted a couple seasons.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 10:33 am
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:31 am to TSmith
Joe freaking Dean. Always in the bargain bin for the next head coach.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:36 am to drexyl
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Joe freaking Dean. Always in the bargain bin for the next head coach.
Yup. When LSU was courting Saban, Joe Dean kept trying to lowball him. Emmert went to Dean and told him "Pay the man what he wants and get him on board. Now."
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:51 am to boxcarbarney
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Yup. When LSU was courting Saban, Joe Dean kept trying to lowball him. Emmert went to Dean and told him "Pay the man what he wants and get him on board. Now."
When I look at their tenures, Joe Dean, in my opinion, was a worse AD than Alleva.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:53 am to boxcarbarney
Why would the saints want to block it? It will just alienate people.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:54 am to Manswers
quote:easily. Alleva was bad but hired Orgeron who had the GOAT football season ever and Will Wade.
When I look at their tenures, Joe Dean, in my opinion, was a worse AD than Alleva.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:58 am to drexyl
Alleva's biggest problem nwas that he was scared of being anything other than perfectly politically correct.
He should have nutted up at Duke and several times at LSU.
He should have nutted up at Duke and several times at LSU.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:07 am to Manswers
Dean makes Alleva look like Jeremy Foley
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:07 am to boxcarbarney
It was a different era at LSU and college sports in general. Deitzel (as AD) spent LSU in to a big budget deficit. Broadhead was brought in to clean up the mess. He did. But he had is on "ethics" issues which led to his resignation. Dean came in an was expected to be fiscally responsible so as not to get back into a hole with the budget. Remember, this wasn't the age of ridiculous money in college sports. Tickets were still affordable. There were no league TV contracts and relatively few teams went to bowl games.
Dean already had Bertman (who was starting become really successful) and his buddy, Brown, who was in the midst of the greatest decade in LSU basketball history. He wasn't a "football" guy and LSU wasn't looking to spend a ton on HC's then. Emmert and Saban changed all of that. The "arms race" for LSU began when Saban was hired and was a complete reversal of the general policy with respect to AD spending. I remember it was a HUGE deal locally that Saban was going to be paid $1,000,000 per year.
For all the grief he gets, Dean was just more or less following orders as the AD. He wasn't "cheap" because he necessarily wanted to be. That's what LSU wanted. Emmert was the one who changed what "LSU" wanted
Dean already had Bertman (who was starting become really successful) and his buddy, Brown, who was in the midst of the greatest decade in LSU basketball history. He wasn't a "football" guy and LSU wasn't looking to spend a ton on HC's then. Emmert and Saban changed all of that. The "arms race" for LSU began when Saban was hired and was a complete reversal of the general policy with respect to AD spending. I remember it was a HUGE deal locally that Saban was going to be paid $1,000,000 per year.
For all the grief he gets, Dean was just more or less following orders as the AD. He wasn't "cheap" because he necessarily wanted to be. That's what LSU wanted. Emmert was the one who changed what "LSU" wanted
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:18 am to Alt26
quote:Some folks credit Saban for changing the philosophy at LSU.
It was a different era at LSU and college sports in general. Deitzel (as AD) spent LSU in to a big budget deficit. Broadhead was brought in to clean up the mess. He did. But he had is on "ethics" issues which led to his resignation. Dean came in an was expected to be fiscally responsible so as not to get back into a hole with the budget. Remember, this wasn't the age of ridiculous money in college sports. Tickets were still affordable. There were no league TV contracts and relatively few teams went to bowl games.
Dean already had Bertman (who was starting become really successful) and his buddy, Brown, who was in the midst of the greatest decade in LSU basketball history. He wasn't a "football" guy and LSU wasn't looking to spend a ton on HC's then. Emmert and Saban changed all of that. The "arms race" for LSU began when Saban was hired and was a complete reversal of the general policy with respect to AD spending. I remember it was a HUGE deal locally that Saban was going to be paid $1,000,000 per year.
For all the grief he gets, Dean was just more or less following orders as the AD. He wasn't "cheap" because he necessarily wanted to be. That's what LSU wanted. Emmert was the one who changed what "LSU" wanted
That's inaccurate.
It was the philosophy change at LSU that brought in Saban.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:21 am to boxcarbarney
Dean also whiffed on Steve Spurrier.
In fairness there was no way to know at that time he would become the Ol’ Ball Coach but nevertheless, Dean went cheap and safe and hired the loyal assistant and Spurrier went on a 10 year winning streak vs LSU
In fairness there was no way to know at that time he would become the Ol’ Ball Coach but nevertheless, Dean went cheap and safe and hired the loyal assistant and Spurrier went on a 10 year winning streak vs LSU
Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:12 pm to boxcarbarney
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Pat Sullivan - then head coach of TCU - was the heavy favorite. From what I read, LSU was ready to sign this guy. But, when the topic of his $400k buyout came up, Sullivan expected LSU to pay it. LSU refused. Sullivan basically had his bags packed for Baton Rouge, and was blindsided by LSU refusing.
He had informed his AD at TCU AND his football team that he was taking the LSU job. THEN, the refusal to cover his buyout (which was significant at that time, well before Sexton engineered his now infamous and MASSIVE gouging of the major football schools) hit which caused him to reconsider.
Dinardo scored points with LSU fans when he took the job indicating he was covering his (IIRC ~$250k) buyout with Vandy out of his own pocket.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:41 pm to LSUStar
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Why would the saints want to block it? It will just alienate people.
It's creating a drain on the Saints if an in-state university is actively poaching staff seemingly every year or two. It's arbitrarily driving up the value of Payton's staff to the point where you either promote or have to waste time rebuilding staff versus working diligently on focusing on your roster.
Put it this way, every major coach Orgeron has hired on his own has been a net negative since he started here. That's a head coach that can't coordinate an offense, defense, or a coaching search.
Orgeron is hopelessly dependent on other successful coaches to make his career work. He's a drowning man in a pool of sharks reaching out frantically for the nearest lifeboat.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:51 pm to bountyhunter
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Orgeron is hopelessly dependent on other successful coaches to make his career work. He's a drowning man in a pool of sharks reaching out frantically for the nearest shrimpboat.
FIFY
Posted on 1/19/21 at 2:07 pm to bountyhunter
Many were skeptical of hiring Orgeron from the get go. Chris Richard here we come. Why would it matter that LSU is "in state"?
Posted on 1/19/21 at 2:51 pm to LSUStar
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Many were skeptical of hiring Orgeron from the get go. Chris Richard here we come. Why would it matter that LSU is "in state"?
Being in state gives you the inside track in a lot of ways. If the relationship between both organizations is hostile then one or both will piss off many fans and influential people in their markets. This is nothing new, look back in the early Superbowl era and their rosters (more specifically, their colleges); a large percentage of the NFL rosters used to be made up by in-state schools. This has faded with the speed of communication , the ubiquity of college football games and many other events like the combine and pro days.
For the last 8 years or so, Payton has a perceived bias against LSU players according to most LSU fans. I think Joe Brady was a bit of an olive branch towards LSU fans, and then Orgeron took that olive branch and then Payton gets across the face with it when the Panthers got Joe Brady. Not saying it was intentional, but certainly what happened is going to play a major role in future coaching interactions between organizations.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 2:56 pm
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