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re: Stop with the Tucker-Tate Panic
Posted on 10/18/21 at 7:42 am to Icansee4miles
Posted on 10/18/21 at 7:42 am to Icansee4miles
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And now South Africa, forever the most modern, successful country in Africa is rapidly spiraling downward.
So apartheid was a good thing? Got it.
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Posted on 10/18/21 at 7:45 am to DamnStrong1860
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Black people in power can’t afford to be that lazy
Yea man every black-run business runs like a fricking well oiled machine
people are freaking out because affirmative action hires are inferior to normal hires by the nature of their process. You’re an idiot
Posted on 10/18/21 at 7:49 am to DamnStrong1860
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O is mediocre and was hired by two mediocre white men. That’s not debatable. . .
When you said “y’all loved it”, that was a huge lie. And you are trying to frame your entire point around this “y’all”.
And I don’t know if you are trolling but just blindly calling a huge group of people racist is the exact problem with what Tate is trying to do. It introduces race into something that should always be finding the best candidate available.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:08 am to SammyTiger
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People act like he isn’t currently coaching an undefeated top 10 team 7 weeks into the season
Have you looked at the teams he’s played?? Apparently not!
He’s 14-12 as a head coach…Ed shouldn’t have been hired for the same exact reason but he was. Why should they make that mistake again!?
We’ve been hearing all week about Ed hiring coordinators that haven’t proved anything yet but here we are talking about hiring a head coach who hasn’t proven anything other than 7 wins against shite teams!
Tell me how this isn’t a diversity pick!
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:10 am to DamnStrong1860
Pushing Tucker because the color of his skin over all the other more qualified candidates is racist in and of itself. If he was as successful as a Jimbo, Franklin, Fickell or even Kiffin then sure lets go get him.
The main problem is that he has not shown a track record of success as a HC. His total HC record is 14 - 12 at 2 different schools. That includes this years 7-0, so before this year he was 5-12. Thats not good enough yet for our program when its likely we will almost have pick of the litter. It's not hard to understand why people dont like him mentioned.
The main problem is that he has not shown a track record of success as a HC. His total HC record is 14 - 12 at 2 different schools. That includes this years 7-0, so before this year he was 5-12. Thats not good enough yet for our program when its likely we will almost have pick of the litter. It's not hard to understand why people dont like him mentioned.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:16 am to DamnStrong1860
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I mean the last President and AD pair hired the most mediocre coach on the planet and y’all loved it “‘cause he talk like us.”
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Did this not happen?
It did not happen
OP is an stupid
Hating the Orgeron was the first thing that The Rant largely agreed on and the 2017 just seemed to really drive it home
I didn't come around until 2018
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:19 am to DamnStrong1860
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The panic over Tate possibly pushing for Tucker is because you think a black man in power is going to do what white men in power have been doing since the beginning of human kind
So, let's push equality and then do the exact thing that people have been fighting against? Yeah that makes a ton of sense. Hire the best coach. I don't care if it's a purple alien transvestite. But, don't preach equality and fairness then hire a less qualified coach based on the color of their skin. That's supposed to be what this social justice movement is fighting against in the first place.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:22 am to TigerLunatik
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So, let's push equality and then do the exact thing that people have been fighting against? Yeah that makes a ton of sense.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:28 am to DamnStrong1860
I wish everyone would stop injecting race into this matter. The best man that we can get for the job should be hired regardless of his race. If that happens to be a black man, so be it. If it is a hispanic or white man, so be it. I will support whoever we hire, but he must be a competent head coach.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:08 am to TigerLunatik
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So, let's push equality and then do the exact thing that people have been fighting against? Yeah that makes a ton of sense. Hire the best coach. I don't care if it's a purple alien transvestite. But, don't preach equality and fairness then hire a less qualified coach based on the color of their skin. That's supposed to be what this social justice movement is fighting against in the first place.
Here’s the problem with the “hire the best coach narrative”, it’s a classic example of a policy being facially neutral but discriminatory in its impact and likely discriminatory in its intent. You say that knowing full well there’s like one black guy in the world who has the resume for a job like this. So the chances of LSU hiring a black man are slim to none.
But ask yourself, in a sport dominated, DOMINATED, by black men how in the world are there so few well qualified black candidates? I don’t have to tell you the answer, you already know it. But I’ll tell you anyway. . . SYSTEMIC RACISM
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 9:12 am
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:17 am to DamnStrong1860
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You say that knowing full well there’s like one black guy in the world who has the resume for a job like this.
I didn't say anything about best resume. Joe Brady didn't have a great resume and came in to overhaul a prehistoric offensive system and turned it into the best offense college football has ever seen. Jay Johnson didn't have the best resume in college baseball but came in and blew Woodward away in the interview. I said hire the best candidate and don't hire anyone based on anything other than their ability to coach football.
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But ask yourself, in a sport dominated, DOMINATED, by black men how in the world are there so few well qualified black candidates.
Ever hear the expression that good players don't make good coaches? Great players don't always make good coaches because they can't relate to players that can't do the things that they can do.
You're bringing up racism but then taking about hiring someone based on their race. It's blatantly hypocritical.
Surely you have an issue with the sport being dominated by black players too. Do you believe that there should be a mandate to bring in more white, Hispanic and Asian players? The league is full of black players but people are discriminating against black coaches? That doesn't even make any sense.
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 9:24 am
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:22 am to DamnStrong1860
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I mean the last President and AD pair hired the most mediocre coach on the planet and y’all loved it “‘cause he talk like us.”
You have no clue what you are talking about. The vast majority of LSU fans thought Orgeron was a horrible hire based on his previous record at Ole Miss.
The ones who thought it was a good hire were your suburban Karens, who really didnt know anything about him other than "he talks like us"
Even after 2019 there was a smaller group that still had a lot of questions on how Orgeron would sustain the success.
Look, any LSU fan who isn't thankful for 2019 is an idiot and a piss poor fan. But, most of us recognized that it seemed like magic that Orgeron was able to do that.... and that's because it was magic.... It was a perfect concoction of a minor league NFL team with an NFL coordinator running the show and a world class D coordinator running the other side.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:27 am to DamnStrong1860
One of the worst arguments I’ve ever read
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:27 am to DamnStrong1860
You are ignorant on many points
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:32 am to bearhc
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I wish everyone would stop injecting race into this matter. The best man that we can get for the job should be hired regardless of his race. If that happens to be a black man, so be it. If it is a hispanic or white man, so be it. I will support whoever we hire, but he must be a competent head coach
If what we've been hearing is true, it's the university president who's injecting race into the matter, not the fans. I'm positive that the large majority of LSU fans could care less what color the next HC is, as long as he's the best possible candidate that we could get.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:35 am to DamnStrong1860
I’d actually like Mel Tucker or Franklin but that’s not the point.
I just don’t want the goal to be to hire a minority coach. I want the goal to be to hire the best man for the job because he will guide LSU Football back to the top.
I just don’t want the goal to be to hire a minority coach. I want the goal to be to hire the best man for the job because he will guide LSU Football back to the top.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:40 am to tiger_nutz
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Have you looked at the teams he’s played?? Apparently not!
If you read my post you will see I discussed That.
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He’s 14-12 as a head coach…Ed shouldn’t have been hired for the same exact reason but he was. Why should they make that mistake again!?
Ed was 10-25. I’m don’t knownif Tucker is a good coach but we knew Ed was a terrible coach
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:41 am to DamnStrong1860
Ah yes, Systemic Racism. So much that the most realistic names mentioned so far are all white.
Cristobal - hispanic/latino
Fickell - White
Kiffin- White
Franklin - Nope, african american
Jimbo - White
Aranda - Nope, he's hispanic/latino
Tucker - african american
Napier - white
Oh wait...
So 4 white people and 4 minorites. Out of all of those Tucker and Aranda are least qualified. People want Aranda more because of familiarity.
Also, so when people say hire the best out there, this is the list so your systemic racism angle doesn't hold water being there are so many minorities on the list.
Cristobal - hispanic/latino
Fickell - White
Kiffin- White
Franklin - Nope, african american
Jimbo - White
Aranda - Nope, he's hispanic/latino
Tucker - african american
Napier - white
Oh wait...
So 4 white people and 4 minorites. Out of all of those Tucker and Aranda are least qualified. People want Aranda more because of familiarity.
Also, so when people say hire the best out there, this is the list so your systemic racism angle doesn't hold water being there are so many minorities on the list.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:11 am to The Eric
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You have no clue what you are talking about. The vast majority of LSU fans thought Orgeron was a horrible hire based on his previous record at Ole Miss.
The ones who thought it was a good hire were your suburban Karens, who really didnt know anything about him other than "he talks like us"
You could take even a step further and bring up how many fans didn't like the "BBQ buddy" hires. Fans want the beat coaches. We don't want people that fit agendas.
A lot of people don't even like that Orgeron has his sons on staff as analysts.
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 11:15 am
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:14 am to DamnStrong1860
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The panic over Tate possibly pushing for Tucker is because you think a black man in power is going to do what white men in power have been doing since the beginning of human kind, hire one of their own
White people have outgrown that phase by decades. Ever seen an NBA roster?
There are other minority candidates much better than Tucker.
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