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SIAP: Can we officially place Jay Gruden on the Redskins Hot Seat?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:04 pm
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Washington Redskins head coach Jay Gruden acknowledged he is on the hot seat following a fourth-consecutive loss Sunday.
“My job is in jeopardy every week,” Gruden said after a 40-16 drubbing by the New York Giants.
A month ago, the Redskins sat atop the NFC East, but after Sunday’s loss, the team has fallen below .500 (6-7), currently out of playoff position.
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Gruden is the only coach ever to be given a contract extension by owner Dan Snyder.
For whatever the hell it's worth, lot of local paper/radio calling for a complete house-cleaning. They have little faith in Snyder to do what needs to be done, but still.
ETA: If anyone cares about reading some WaPo despair:
Who's to Blame? Everybody
Nobody should feel comfortable at Redskins Park
ETA: I want to be wrong this. I'll be rooting hard for the Redskins to somehow win the next 2/3 and get into the playoffs. I would love to have egg on my face, but to say that Gruden isn't at least on the hot seat would be inaccurate.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 8:21 am
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:14 pm to theGarnetWay
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For whatever the hell it's worth, lot of local paper/radio calling for a complete house-cleaning. They have little faith in Snyder to do what needs to be done, but still
So nothing was wrong a month ago, but after losing your 1st / 2nd string QB and OL injuries, clean house? Interesting
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:14 pm to theGarnetWay
I mean they were leading that division until Smith and basically their entire OL went down....oh and then smith's back up went down forcing them to turn to mark fricking sanchez
Gruden isn't great but tough time pinning this season on him.
Gruden isn't great but tough time pinning this season on him.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:24 pm to bstew3006
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So nothing was wrong a month ago, but after losing your 1st / 2nd string QB and OL injuries, clean house? Interesting
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Gruden isn't great but tough time pinning this season on him.
Those WaPo articles offer a lot of insight about the franchise's decades-long rut with Snyder and with Allen over the last 9 years. It's a lot more than, "well things were okay, but injuries just grabbed us."
eta: Just to provide one of many examples, DJ Swearinger called out the team before the Eagles game last week saying that too many players were joking around in walk-throughs and practices. Greg Manusky came out and admitted that he couldn't keep the team's attention for 50 minutes and so it was okay to let them goof off for a little bit. Gruden defended that.
One reporter here often calls Redskins Park "Club Jay" for the utter lack of discipline and effort.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:27 pm to theGarnetWay
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Snyder and with Allen
well yeah those are your biggest issues
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:29 pm to theGarnetWay
Can you really fire him for being on a course for making the playoffs and then having the starting QB AND the backup QB getting hurt and it derailing your season?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:31 pm to Rand AlThor
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Can you really fire him for being on a course for making the playoffs and then having the starting QB AND the backup QB getting hurt and it derailing your season?
If this weren't his 5th season, no. But his injured QBs have nothing to do with his defense giving up 27 points to the Giants 0 sans Beckham has nothing to do with it.
Eta: Also, let me just say I'm playing Devil's Advocate here. Whether the board agrees or not, I'm simply inquiring if he should officially be placed on the hot seat on Chicken's thread and it's hard to say no to that.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 5:50 pm to theGarnetWay
Honestly, as a Cowboys fan I would love it for them to clean house. They were quietly doing really well before the worst injury bug I have seen in years hit them bad, I don't juts mean losing 2 QBs. What they have had happen to their offensive line was ridiculous and they were still finding ways to win games.
Jay wasn't setting the world on fire by any standards, but he was developing a decent team that could have been in the 9-7 to 11-5 range.
Jay wasn't setting the world on fire by any standards, but he was developing a decent team that could have been in the 9-7 to 11-5 range.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 5:55 pm to theGarnetWay
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eta: Just to provide one of many examples, DJ Swearinger called out the team before the Eagles game last week saying that too many players were joking around in walk-throughs and practices. Greg Manusky came out and admitted that he couldn't keep the team's attention for 50 minutes and so it was okay to let them goof off for a little bit. Gruden defended that.
Stunning that guys would check out once the front office admitted they didn't want to compete by bringing in guys like Mark Sanchez and Josh Johnson.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:46 pm to theGarnetWay
It doesn't matter who the coach is until the front office is purged. That includes the owner, who unfortunately is too young to realistically sell the team (or die), so the Redskins are just fricked for awhile. Just like the past couple decades. I say that as a fan.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 2:10 am to theGarnetWay
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But his injured QBs have nothing to do with his defense giving up 27 points
How can you post on a football message board and not understand the implications of Time Of Possession?
Posted on 12/11/18 at 3:42 am to theGarnetWay
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Washington Redskins head coach Jay Gruden acknowledged he is on the hot seat following a fourth-consecutive loss Sunday.
His qb and back up qb both have broken leg.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:24 am to CaptainBrannigan
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His qb and back up qb both have broken leg.
Yeah, the team was scoring about 21 ppg before Smith went down and was in the bottom half of the league.
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How can you post on a football message board and not understand the implications of Time Of Possession?
You realize the TOP was 30:09 to 29:51 in favor the Giants and remained relatively even throughout the game regardless of score, right? Maybe you should reconsider posting on a football message board.
Also, YPG allowed by the Skins defense over the last 6 games:
Falcons: 491
Bucs: 501
Texans: 320 - Smith goes out late
Cowboys: 404
Eagles: 436
Giants: 402
If this board thinks the only thing wrong with the Skins is their QBs going down and lost TOP as a consequence... well then I don't know what else to tell you.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:40 am to theGarnetWay
Gruden isn’t at fault for the massive amount of fluke injuries they’ve had to key players, including 1st and 2nd strong QBs, their 1st round pick RB, their top receiving back for most of the season, most of their starting offensive line including pro bowlers, their 1st strong TE, multiple starting receivers, and several defensive players
If they fire him for this season, they’re idiots. He’s a good coach to get that team to 6-3, and the collapse was inevitable due to injury
If they fire him for this season, they’re idiots. He’s a good coach to get that team to 6-3, and the collapse was inevitable due to injury
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:42 am to theGarnetWay
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If this board thinks the only thing wrong with the Skins is their QBs going down and lost TOP as a consequence... well then I don't know what else to tell you.
That’s actually exactly how it works. Go look at their offensive numbers in those games and their turnovers. It’s bad, and it’s caused by the mass injuries across the offense. This board knows that a bad offense will hamstring a defense, we watch LSU football
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:48 am to Upperdecker
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If they fire him for this season, they’re idiots.
I think that's the disconnect between what I'm trying to say and what everyone in this thread is reading. Gruden wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire in his four previous seasons.
Swearinger and much the media have blasted the practices as "Club Jay" for being too relaxed and letting players screw around too much - that includes the week before the Eagles in McCoy's 2nd start. That's when they were what? Still 6-5 battling for first place against a division rival, your QB goes down, and now you decide to screw around? And as one of the article notes, it's one thing to lose because your QB goes down, it's another for your entire team to not show up (the article used the Bengals under Driskel vs the Charges this week as an example).
Point is, this isn't exactly Gruden's first crack at this and I agree he has things working against him that are out of his hands (Snyder, Allen, and the injuries), but if you guys don't thing Gruden bears a significant portion of the blame for where the Skins are and don't agree that at the very least he is on the hot seat, then you are putting way too much stock in the last 2 games and not enough on the larger picture.
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That’s actually exactly how it works. Go look at their offensive numbers in those games and their turnovers. It’s bad, and it’s caused by the mass injuries across the offense.
In some games? Sure. In every single game? No. This is particularly true for the game against the Giants that he used as an example.
eta: I really suggest everyone read the articles instead of just reading the subject line and immediately going "He lost QBs! He gets a pass!" without any further context. If you don't like the WaPo I suggest this one, it's short and to the point:
The 5 things from the Jay Gruden era EB will never forget
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1. "Inability to settle on a quarterback"
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2. Unprepared in key moments/primetime games
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5. "Inability to fix the defense"
eta: FFS, the DC came out the other week and basically said, "Yeah, we screw around through practice and walk throughs because we can't keep the team's attention for 50 minutes."
This was before the Eagles game I believe:
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"We had the walkthroughs last week. It was a short week having about an hour of a walkthrough or 50 minutes, it take a little bit of a toll. Their concentration level is not going to be focused for 50 minutes. But overall, we try to have a little bit of fun doing it," Redskins defensive coordinator Greg Manusky said this week.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 9:27 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:43 am to theGarnetWay
Most teams would check out with the number of key injuries they’ve had. It’s not just a few, it’s their entire offensive starters have had major injuries this season. And yes he hasn’t set the world on fire, but he’s been solid, and the NFL doesn’t fire many solid coaches. They don’t even fire that many bad coaches. Check out Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett
The discipline in practice is based on circumstances probably. Yes they should rein it in, but he’s not getting fired for that. The only reason he gets fired this season is if the owner decides he needs a scapegoat
The discipline in practice is based on circumstances probably. Yes they should rein it in, but he’s not getting fired for that. The only reason he gets fired this season is if the owner decides he needs a scapegoat
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:05 am to Upperdecker
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The only reason he gets fired this season is if the owner decides he needs a scapegoat
Which I think puts him on the hot seat.
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The discipline in practice is based on circumstances probably.
The Club Jay moniker is much older than the last 4 weeks.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:39 pm to bstew3006
quote:Also, they lost their 1st round pick, Guice, before the season even started.
So nothing was wrong a month ago, but after losing your 1st / 2nd string QB and OL injuries, clean house? Interesting
Posted on 12/13/18 at 6:52 am to saint tiger225
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Also, they lost their 1st round pick, Guice,
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