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re: Saban to UT would change CFB for the worse....here's why
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:31 pm to MetTiger
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:31 pm to MetTiger
CFB is a bubble that will eventually burst. Enjoy it while you can.
There's actually a historical precedent for this. The first golden age of college football was in the early 20th century. There's a reason Yale's stadium holds 70K-back in the day, they filled it. For various reasons, a decline set in-the Great Depression, followed by WWII-had a lot do do with it. The cycle started over again beginning with TV contracts in the late sixties-early seventies.
There's actually a historical precedent for this. The first golden age of college football was in the early 20th century. There's a reason Yale's stadium holds 70K-back in the day, they filled it. For various reasons, a decline set in-the Great Depression, followed by WWII-had a lot do do with it. The cycle started over again beginning with TV contracts in the late sixties-early seventies.
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:37 pm to Jim Rockford
The 32-48 team super conference will happen IMO
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:40 pm to MetTiger
the money is setting up the four 16 team super conferences
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:46 pm to MetTiger
enough already with the board changing. This has been on three different boards already. And it has nothing to do with coaching changes for the sake coaching changes. It's more about the effect on CFB of the scale of the change that may or may not happen....
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:48 pm to MetTiger
Great post!
We are in dangerous territory. If all the posters here think that boosters are going to cover the full cost of this salary explosion, they are full of crap.
Tickets will be priced out of most people's ability to pay. College Presidents better get ready for mass hysteria from Academic faculty.
You got problems coming from coaches in other sports. Players who put their health and their future on the line for a $30,000 year education. There are so many negative implications from this spectacle and the rumors surrounding it.
We are in dangerous territory. If all the posters here think that boosters are going to cover the full cost of this salary explosion, they are full of crap.
Tickets will be priced out of most people's ability to pay. College Presidents better get ready for mass hysteria from Academic faculty.
You got problems coming from coaches in other sports. Players who put their health and their future on the line for a $30,000 year education. There are so many negative implications from this spectacle and the rumors surrounding it.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:57 pm to MetTiger
You deserve some upvotes for bringing up the obvious money issue. We've seen potential coaching salaries increase rapidly over the last decades because of expectations, competition, and bad judgment on teh part of dozens of major institutions.
We're now dealing with a situation where a lot of college programs from major conferences are treading carefully between the red and the black. The investment of institutions into football facilities is enormous and even irresponsible when it is not justified by similar returns on investment. Coaches winning less than 50% of their SEC games now command salaries of 3 million dollars.
Texas can afford to overpay should they so choose but they shouldn't really have to if they are not going to land a uniquely qualified coach like Nick Saban. The middle tier and even upper tier programs around college football should be watching this salary escalation with considerable concern. Suppose LSU were to win a national championship within the next couple years and there were still a contract clause guaranteed Les that he would be the top paid coach in college football as a result - is upwards of 7 or 10 million dollars a year wise or sustainable even for a highly successful program like LSU? I don't think the answer is yes.
We're now dealing with a situation where a lot of college programs from major conferences are treading carefully between the red and the black. The investment of institutions into football facilities is enormous and even irresponsible when it is not justified by similar returns on investment. Coaches winning less than 50% of their SEC games now command salaries of 3 million dollars.
Texas can afford to overpay should they so choose but they shouldn't really have to if they are not going to land a uniquely qualified coach like Nick Saban. The middle tier and even upper tier programs around college football should be watching this salary escalation with considerable concern. Suppose LSU were to win a national championship within the next couple years and there were still a contract clause guaranteed Les that he would be the top paid coach in college football as a result - is upwards of 7 or 10 million dollars a year wise or sustainable even for a highly successful program like LSU? I don't think the answer is yes.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:58 pm to MetTiger
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:00 pm to Blakely Bimbo
"I fear all we (we=teams who beat Texas + Bama) have done is to awaken a sleeping giant (Texas) and fill him with a terrible resolve (Red McCombs and other big Texas Boosters who have more money than the Vatican)."
- originally Japanese Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbor as it now pertains to the Saban-Texas saga (with emphasis)
- originally Japanese Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbor as it now pertains to the Saban-Texas saga (with emphasis)
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I think nearly all of that is coming down the road with or without Saban bending over UT or BAMA for his big payday. As soon as a playoff is instituted in college football, college football AS WE KNOW IT ceases to exist. What comes may or may not be better, but it sure as hell will not be what we all grew up with.
Spot on. ESPN wants this playoff. The game changes forever and the money will flow. Hopefully the players will get some.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:38 pm to MetTiger
quote:I stopped right there.
First off
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:40 pm to La Place Mike
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quote:quote:
they will seek out the next best guy
Miles to Bama?
They will elevate Smart to HC to maintain some continuity.
He won't fill Saban's shoes and get fired within 3 years.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:45 pm to Blakely Bimbo
quote:Remind me again, what school currently pays their football coach the most, over $5.5 million/year???
We are in dangerous territory. If all the posters here think that boosters are going to cover the full cost of this salary explosion, they are full of crap.
Tickets will be priced out of most people's ability to pay. College Presidents better get ready for mass hysteria from Academic faculty.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:50 pm to MetTiger
quote:
Saban to UT would change CFB for the worse
I think how this all is going down is bad for CFB. If a fraction of the rumors are true about what kind of money Texas will throw, Bama will have to do something attractive to keep him. Regardless of the outcome, this will be a domino affect. Just my two cents.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:09 pm to MetTiger
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That being said, let's say Saban accepts the UT job. At $8 to $10M per year. That will set off a chain of events that may change CFB, most likely for worse.
Bama won't just go away, they will seek out the next best guy (whoever that is) at $7M per year. While that's all going on, 10 other schools will pony up an extra $1-2M per year to make sure it's not their guy.
The idea being - just be one of the last 4 teams standing for the playoffs. Once these coaching arms races are on, not many schools will have the power to keep up. What's left are maybe a dozen schools (currently including LSU) that have those kind of resources - or are willing to spend them.
You make some good points.However, back after the 1981 season when Texas A&M hired Jackie Sherril from Pittsburgh they paid him $275,000 per year.Now,that's chump change today in college football.But going into the 1982 season that was seen as outrageous and similar points of view to your post was tossed around.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:15 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Sorry to long did not read.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:24 pm to MetTiger
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Completely disagree. Bama is not going to go post Bear here. If $7M is what it takes Gruden to move there, they will spend it. They're going to try to hit the ground running. Remember, you only have to be the 4th team. And only a big name will not be intimidated by the Saban legacy.
Dude, you are very wrong on this one. First off, Bama is set up for at least an extremely strong 3-4 year run after Saban leaves if their recruiting falls off a cliff. At worst, they'll promote Smart and pay him along the lines of $2.5-$3 Million max.
Secondly, plenty of coaches will be happy to go into Bama if only to stay there for 4 years and reap the benefits of what Saban has built there. They go in for 3-4 years, win a ton of games then move on to the next place.
UT is having to pay out of the arse because it is a semi-rebuilding project.
In the end, Bama is the most to blame for this entire arms race when it comes to salaries. The second they brought Saban back on that ridiculous contract, it shifted college football in a bad way for coaching salaries.
We now have DC's and OC's making 5 times what head coaches at legitimate programs were making less than 16 years ago.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:25 pm to MetTiger
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Bama won't just go away
I stopped here.
Yes, they would. Recruits follow Saban period. They* went to Bama for Saban. Top recruits in LA will not bolt to Bama.. as well as throughout the south.. So get real. All those elite Florida kids will no longer head to Bama like they have been of late.. which was only because of Saban.. and The in state recruiting of Alabama will be even more of a battle between Auburn and Alabama.. where as LSU has better talent in state and no other competition in state.
Alabama would and will take a significant hit when Saban leaves.
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 12/12/13 at 4:41 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
It would be a significant hit but you're wrong if you think Bama will go away.
The school as experienced an all-time high in revenue due to the last 7 years. The school is building new facilities, housing, and has an aggressive growth plan due much in part to the success of the football program. Dr. Witt said it on 60 Minutes that as much as Saban has cost, it was worth every penny.
Bama can't afford not to pay whatever and bring in a big name.
It will likely not be the same level for a few years but just like LSU fans, once you've tasted success, you're not going to accept the alternative.
And except for a decade here or there, Bama never has. You're either ignorant or an idiot.
The school as experienced an all-time high in revenue due to the last 7 years. The school is building new facilities, housing, and has an aggressive growth plan due much in part to the success of the football program. Dr. Witt said it on 60 Minutes that as much as Saban has cost, it was worth every penny.
Bama can't afford not to pay whatever and bring in a big name.
It will likely not be the same level for a few years but just like LSU fans, once you've tasted success, you're not going to accept the alternative.
And except for a decade here or there, Bama never has. You're either ignorant or an idiot.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 5:40 pm to MetTiger
All of that will happen regardless, and because of that, I'd rather enjoy some LSU success right now and get Saban the frick out of the SECW.
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