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re: Orgeron successfully executed a major responsibility of his job
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:11 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:11 pm to mmcgrath
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Aranda and Canada are by far the best OC / DC combo in the country, no?
I think they probably are (pending the Bama OC hire), but I think that says more about Aranda than it does Canada. Canada is a good coach and is likely one of, if not the top realistic candidate for the job. But, I don't think he's a top 3 OC in the country.
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:14 pm to moneyg
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It wasn't pretty, the PR side was a nightmare, and we had to endure a week or two of negative momentum
only on this board. the vast majority of people, including LSU fans didn't "experience" the search that way. many of the posters do it to themselves. THEY are the ones that go through the wringer that THEY create. it's some sort of weird type of masochism. and, I feel that some, if not most of it is "fueled" by posters from other teams. like the Macedonia fake news people.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:23 pm to Sir Fury
Good point!
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:24 pm to moneyg
I have been publicly skeptical of O's promotion, but I'm happy with this hire.
LSU got the best OC to fit their personnel / system. I have no complaints.
LSU got the best OC to fit their personnel / system. I have no complaints.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:38 pm to UpToPar
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Canada, not so much. He's good, but he's not elite.
He's not a "big name," but he's a really good hire. He's one of the best realistic hires LSU could have hoped for. LSU wasn't getting head coaches to come be their OC like some of the threads on this board suggested.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:47 pm to UpToPar
Was Canada asked about QB development?
Read this. And let Canada choose his own quarterbacks.
Which he can't do until he arrives on campus after the 28th.
RHIP! Rank has it's privileges.
Who are you to dictate how a multi-millionare coach with 30 years of coaching experience handle his business? How very egotistical of you.
Read this. And let Canada choose his own quarterbacks.
Which he can't do until he arrives on campus after the 28th.
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If Orgeron was truly holding out on naming his OC to help Kiffin get a HC job then that is extremely troubling.
RHIP! Rank has it's privileges.
Who are you to dictate how a multi-millionare coach with 30 years of coaching experience handle his business? How very egotistical of you.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:50 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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Who are you to dictate how a multi-millionare coach with 30 years of coaching experience handle his business? How very egotistical of you.
Jesus Christ......
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:53 pm to moneyg
I've been tough on the search process that brought O's ascension to head coach, but today was a good day for him. I want O and LSU to be successful, I just think Allevas search process was a sham and a joke.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:57 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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There was no rush to name Canada sooner. This is a recruiting dead period. ... Once you accept that Canada was always a lock for LSU then you will see there was no hurry to announce his hiring.
Respectfully disagree.
Like many, I'm quite sure Orgeron's first choice was Kiffin. With this in mind, it makes sense that Orgeron had to publicly state he was going to take his time with the OC search. Kiffin has big program HC aspirations, so I think he did his best to be somewhat diplomatic in concluding his tenure at Bama. (Remember-- his immaturity has been a mark against him on his resume, so leaving Bama before the bowl game and jumping to LSU before that would've looked potentially immature.)
Again-- assuming Kiffin was his #1-- once Kiffin was off the table and Canada emerged as a leading candidate, it made sense to expedite the move. Per Bruce Feldman, Canada has potentially entertained / rejected three other schools in the last 48 hours alone. With that kind of interest being shown by other schools, it very much would have been a mistake by Orgeron to not move quickly with Canada if he considered him to be the right fit. It would be too big of a risk to slow play things.
Recruiting-wise, the biggest reason to announce right away is to give time to give recruits-- especially early enrollees-- an extra week or two to see the staff stabilizing. if the announcement came at a later date, it would seem more rushed than it does now, and they'd have less time to think things over. The sentiments of TD posters doesn't matter per se, but it does reflect the opinions of some portion of the fan base. So, stability quiets some of the critics and minimizes the time for instability to be used as a negative recruiting tactic against LSU.
Dead period or no, it matters. For instance, Narcisse stated the instability of the staff as a reason to decommit. If he thought that for the past week, and now sees Canada on board, that doubt is more likely to be quickly dispelled. If he had the chance to dwell on that for over a month while waiting to see who would be OC, the doubt would have time to fester and deepen, and it would probably become more difficult to get him to change his mind.
So, given the way the availability of his choices appears to have played out, Orgeron seems to have played his cards better than some want to give him credit for... on the surface anyway.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:59 pm to Mr. Hangover
BelowPar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UpToPar
Posted on 12/14/16 at 6:28 pm to Goldrush25
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You don't acknowledge that as a possibility?
Obviously the best situation is to never have an opening and never have any staff turnover. But shite happens.
I don't think a 2-4 week gap, while not ideal, would have any lasting impact on the program.
Don't make the mistake of thinking the Coaching Changes bubble reflects the real world.
There was no "PR nightmare" as some have put it. Very few fans follow this stuff as intently as we do.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 6:33 pm to moneyg
Good hire, but does one single piece of good news remove the mountain of evidence?
Not only that, we all know O wanted Kiffin first. That's still a problem. And if he promised Kiffin and didn't follow through, bigger problem.
We should celebrate the hire, but this by no means balances out all of the bad.
Not only that, we all know O wanted Kiffin first. That's still a problem. And if he promised Kiffin and didn't follow through, bigger problem.
We should celebrate the hire, but this by no means balances out all of the bad.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 6:47 pm to Freauxzen
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Good hire, but does one single piece of good news remove the mountain of evidence?
Mountain of evidence? That sounds a little like hyperbole.
However sincere Kiffin may have or may not have been to Orgeron about coming to LSU, I strongly believe there was always the caveat of "if I don't get a HC gig". And I don't think either Alleva or Orgeron are/were confused to the point of not understanding that Kiffin might not sign with LSU.
And once he was off the table, they moved quickly to secure the person who emerged as their next top target (given that some other top targets like Riley weren't going to make a lateral move).
Aside from that, O has made a couple of questionable decisions with recruiting, but I don't see a mountain of evidence that fails to be balanced by a good (and potentially great) OC hire. I do see a lot of people over-reacting to everything, though, if that's what you're referring to.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 6:49 pm to Freauxzen
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Not only that, we all know O wanted Kiffin first. That's still a problem. And if he promised Kiffin and didn't follow through, bigger problem.
Why is it a problem if a guy he wanted opted for a head coaching position?
It's obvious Kiffin discovered during this process that he would never rehab his image as an offensive coordinator and that he had to take a head coaching job at even a small level if he ever hoped to be a P5 head coach one day.
I don't think entering into this, Kiffin planned to be FAU.
What's the issue? (outside of BS talking points that Orgeron PROMISED Kiffin to Alleva, which never happened).
Posted on 12/14/16 at 7:35 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 12/14/16 at 7:44 pm to moneyg
I am optimistic now that we may have a real OC. Get a qb next and we may actually have a legit offense.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 8:56 pm to UpToPar
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Jesus Christ......
That's exactly what everyone has been telling you.
Do you go to work and second guess the decisions your supervisors make?
Are you even old enough to have a job? You sound like you have no real world experience.
Do you not honestly know that people who manage other people make decisions that favor one person over another every day? How can you not know that already?
This is an earlier post of yours:
fricking white people. ...
Maybe you should go back to the O-T Lounge.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 10:08 am to ATL-TIGER-732
you have no clue how any of this works. If you think Orgeron was doing Kiffin a favor and waited to name his OC until after Kiffin got a HC position and are not terrified by this then I don't know what to tell you.Posted on 12/15/16 at 11:03 am to UpToPar
Parse it any way you want, but LSU now has 2 of the top coordinators in the country. It would have been great for the process to happen sooner, but as someone who has been a part of many national job searches (non-sports related) the timeline is not abnormal.
Those were the 2 biggest hurdles, getting Aranda locked up and hiring the OC. Now the other pieces should start to fall into place: recruiting, OC staff, ST coach . . .
Those were the 2 biggest hurdles, getting Aranda locked up and hiring the OC. Now the other pieces should start to fall into place: recruiting, OC staff, ST coach . . .
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:38 pm to UpToPar
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then I don't know what to tell you.
Does this mean you are going to shut up?
I like making you do more inane posts.
P.S. I am certain O looks forward to your suggestions on how he should run his business.
Let's see what O has done since being named head coach:
1. Wrapped Aranda up in a new contract as DC and associate head coach
2. Signed Canada as OC
3. Bobby April committed to Special Teams coach
4. Got Miles Brennan to recommit as quarterback.
Which of these did you help with?
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 4:35 pm
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