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re: Orgeron successfully executed a major responsibility of his job
Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:46 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:46 pm to Goldrush25
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But those critical of O were right all along. We said he should make a hire ASAP. People that blindly follow O said we should wait.
He realized his mistake and did the right thing, which he should be commended for. But when are the O supporters going to admit that O's critics were right?
This is complete and utter bullshite with no basis in fact. He had every intention of waiting if that's what getting the right OC required. Once Kiffin took a head coaching job, Canada was on a flight to BR within 48 hours.
Realized his mistake? What a self-important load of crap.
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:22 pm to AlxTgr
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the PR side was a nightmare, and we had to endure a week or two of negative momentum,
This is alway board created. Too many here want to be updated and simply refuse to let the people in charge do their jobs on the timeline it needs to be done.
This X's eleventy billion!!!
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:38 pm to UpToPar
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Canada, not so much. He's good, but he's not elite.
You have to look at who is available now.
O did an incredible job with what was available.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:44 pm to Goldrush25
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We said he should make a hire ASAP. People that blindly follow O said we should wait. He realized his mistake and did the right thing,
right , that's it. Coach O would have never made this hire today if his critics on the tiger rant hadn't pushed him to it. Think quite a bit of your self don't you?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:59 pm to UpToPar
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Kiffin, Riley, Enos, Helfrich, Sark, Both Briles (despite their baggage).
Who needs baggage now?
The fact that you have Kiffin first on your list shows how wrong you are.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:59 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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O did an incredible job with what was available.
I guess it depends on your definition of available. I think most now realize that Kiffin was never coming here, but O said he was going to get the very best OC and it seems he thought that was Kiffin.
I'm not sure Briles and Sark were candidates with their baggage, and from the looks of it, Riley turned us down as well.
If all of those guys are considered "not available," then I agree, we got the best available.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:06 pm to UpToPar
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Kiffin, Riley, Enos, Helfrich, Sark, Both Briles
Kiffin and Riley not coming. I agree with Art being better, however look at the rest.
Enos- can't leave Hogs for another OC job in SEC, he is good.
Helfrich - hasn't called plays on his own for over 7 years and you think he is better? you are funny
Sark- ?? can't believe you listed someone who can't even keep his shite together working as a consultant.
Brile- Art too much baggage. Kendal, might not be so good without Art. Too small of a sample size.
Canada was up for the top assistant in college football, I don't think your thought process is "UpToPar" with people who really know football.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:07 pm to UpToPar
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O said he was going to get the very best OC and it seems he thought that was Kiffin.
"O said he was going to get the very best OC "
This is a fact!
"and it seems he thought that was Kiffin.".
You assumed this. This could have been put out by Kiffin's people trying to make him look more desirable.
And you fell for it.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:12 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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"and it seems he thought that was Kiffin.".
You assumed this. This could have been put out by Kiffin's people trying to make him look more desirable.
You don't really believe this, do you? You seriously don't think Kiffin was at the top of our list? You think it's just a coincidence that we fly Canada in and offer him the job the day after Kiffin accepts a HC job? Come on man.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:16 pm to PennyPacker
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Kiffin, Riley, Enos, Helfrich, Sark, Both Briles
Kiffin and Riley not coming. I agree with Art being better, however look at the rest.
Enos- can't leave Hogs for another OC job in SEC, he is good.
Helfrich - hasn't called plays on his own for over 7 years and you think he is better? you are funny
Sark- ?? can't believe you listed someone who can't even keep his shite together working as a consultant.
Brile- Art too much baggage. Kendal, might not be so good without Art. Too small of a sample size.
With the exception of Helfrich, nothing else you said has anything to do with how good of an offensive coordinator those guys are. I understand there is some baggage in there. I was simply stating who I thought the top OCs in the country were.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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This is complete and utter bull shite with no basis in fact. He had every intention of waiting if that's what getting the right OC required. Once Kiffin took a head coaching job, Canada was on a flight to BR within 48 hours.
Realized his mistake? What a self-important load of crap.
This isn't a very good apology.
People like you were trying to say that his waiting was not tied to Kiffin at all, while I and others knew that it was.
O supporters, like yourself, tried to peddle the rest of us on this idea that he was not rushing to make a hire, he was taking his time, which was BS. He was trying to hire Kiffin the entire time and would have inked him at any time before the bowl game. I said over and over, he's waiting on Kiffin, he's waiting on Kiffin. O supporters were saying "no he's not, he's just taking his time, focusing on the bowl game." Give me a break.
And I, along with many others predicted weeks ago that Kiffin was going to take a HC job. Why did I and many others know this would happen and you didn't? Just admit you were wrong.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:30 pm to UpToPar
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You think it's just a coincidence that we fly Canada in and offer him the job the day after Kiffin accepts a HC job?
Maybe O was waiting for Kiffin to sign somewhere as HC so his stock would still be high.
Canada was never going anywhere but here!
Only 2 schools can offer the talent and salary we offered. And at the other school Canada would have been micromanaged by Saban. It has been established Canada does not like to be micromanaged.
O and Kiffin are friends and maybe O helped Kiffin get a better salary at his HC job.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:36 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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O and Kiffin are friends and maybe O helped Kiffin get a better salary at his HC job.
Maybe, but it doesn't seem it worked very well. Kiffin took a pretty sizable pay cut to be a head coach.
And, if that was the case then I have even less faith in Orgeron. He put his buddy ahead of his own program by not naming his OC sooner.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:46 pm to UpToPar
Interestingly it appears that O's willingness to let his coaches coach is what landed Canada at LSU.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:49 pm to UpToPar
Name one major defense Baylor ever hung those kind of stats on?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:51 pm to UpToPar
Kiffin is very egotistical and paid for it by taking a pay cut to be called HC. Just because O and Kiffin are friends does not mean O would have hired Kiffin. He wanted to help Kiffin as best he could, short of giving him a job.
There was no rush to name Canada sooner. This is a recruiting dead period.
Canada is going to stay at Pitt until after their bowl game on the 28th.
Once you accept that Canada was always a lock for LSU then you will see there was no hurry to announce his hiring.
O and Canada will work out the qb situation. Let Canada chose which QBs he wants.
There was no rush to name Canada sooner. This is a recruiting dead period.
Canada is going to stay at Pitt until after their bowl game on the 28th.
Once you accept that Canada was always a lock for LSU then you will see there was no hurry to announce his hiring.
O and Canada will work out the qb situation. Let Canada chose which QBs he wants.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 4:58 pm to Goldrush25
What are you babbling about?
Of course he was waiting on Kiffin. Who ever said he wasn't? But obviously while that situation was working itself out, they were vetting and talking to other people, as shown by the quickness that this happened after Kiffin took a HC job.
I wasn't a fan of the Orgeron hire and thought they could have hired many more qualified coaches. But he's here now, so I'm not going to have faux outrage over everything that happens.
It's the sign of an idiot to call everyone that doesn't agree with every bashing of the coach an "O supporter" as if that somehow negates their argument.
Waiting two weeks, or even four weeks, would not have been a problem if that's what it took to get the right offensive coordinator.
This is THE key hire for Orgeron and he knows the wrong guy could cost him his job. Some recruits with ruffled feathers and a few irritated fans were not worth rushing the decision.
You sound like a fun guy.
Of course he was waiting on Kiffin. Who ever said he wasn't? But obviously while that situation was working itself out, they were vetting and talking to other people, as shown by the quickness that this happened after Kiffin took a HC job.
I wasn't a fan of the Orgeron hire and thought they could have hired many more qualified coaches. But he's here now, so I'm not going to have faux outrage over everything that happens.
It's the sign of an idiot to call everyone that doesn't agree with every bashing of the coach an "O supporter" as if that somehow negates their argument.
Waiting two weeks, or even four weeks, would not have been a problem if that's what it took to get the right offensive coordinator.
This is THE key hire for Orgeron and he knows the wrong guy could cost him his job. Some recruits with ruffled feathers and a few irritated fans were not worth rushing the decision.
You sound like a fun guy.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:04 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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There was no rush to name Canada sooner. This is a recruiting dead period.
Sure, but you had your only two QBs decommit while Orgeron (according to you) was helping his buddy get a HC job.
Now, all signs point towards Brennan recommitting, but it's certainly not a given and you still could lose Lowell.
That doesn't mean that they wouldn't have decommitted even if LSU named an OC a week ago, but it wouldn't have hurt.
If Orgeron was truly holding out on naming his OC to help Kiffin get a HC job then that is extremely troubling.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:05 pm to UpToPar
quote:Aranda and Canada are by far the best OC / DC combo in the country, no?
He said he was going to bring in the best coordinators in the country. I think most agree Aranda is in the top 3. Canada, not so much. He's good, but he's not elite.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:08 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Of course he was waiting on Kiffin. Who ever said he wasn't?
A lot of people. That ballchamp guy even made a thread about it.
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Waiting two weeks, or even four weeks, would not have been a problem if that's what it took to get the right offensive coordinator.
Waiting that long would've been a huge problem if we waited all that time and didn't get the guy, while other targets are being hired away by other schools, not to mention the hit we would take in recruiting (which kinda already happened). You don't acknowledge that as a possibility?
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 5:10 pm
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