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re: Jacob Flint new S&C coach

Posted on 12/7/21 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 12:24 pm to
So this is what we speculated.

Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 12:35 pm to
Anyone know this coach's philosophy? Is it more strength oriented or agility oriented?
Posted by ffhouston
The Woodlands
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 12:40 pm to
Just read the Sampson piece. If that doesn't get you fired the frick up, I don't know what will.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 12:49 pm to
its a philosophy that we are training athletes not guys to be strong men. The video had ND doing some nice stuff with analytics, I assume that will follow here.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36539 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 12:50 pm to
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It seems our workouts had become one person flipping tires and the others cheering them on.



if thats what you and other LSU fans think......no wonder yall want a change

jesus some of yall are ignorant
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
161807 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 1:05 pm to
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for as great as TM was, i felt a change would be good simply because it seemed like the last 2 years he couldnt get the non self motivated guys to do the work and without a HC that holds them accountable....it seemed like his message was failing.


I think the transfer portal/Ed had Tommy wielding much less power. At that point, yeah guys have to mostly be self motivated.

Gooden has playing experience in college and the pros, guys respect that. Seems like a solid choice to be Flint's #2

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i do expect huge huge changes on the nutrition side though.


is that because Flint is more involved in this or LSU was just lacking?
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 1:22 pm to
How is it we are saying these are done deals?
Somebody leaked this and the new Special Teams Coach. No leak on Frank... Hope we get these guys but also hope it's not Coack K throwing out chum.
Posted by alatxtgr
The Nation of Texas
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 1:23 pm to
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Gooden has playing experience in college and the pros, guys respect that. Seems like a solid choice to be Flint's #2
And Gooden is from Pflugerville, Tx. Can’t hurt with recruiting some areas of TX
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 1:51 pm to
Big boom
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36539 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 2:16 pm to
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I think the transfer portal/Ed had Tommy wielding much less power. At that point, yeah guys have to mostly be self motivated.

Gooden has playing experience in college and the pros, guys respect that. Seems like a solid choice to be Flint's #2



yea in a weird way ED nutered Tommy some in the last 2 years. Covid kind of started it, then TM had a desire to go private and step back some and then just Eds lack of holding people accountable really did TM in. Its funny cause from 16-covid nobody was a bigger ed o guy than Tommy.

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is that because Flint is more involved in this or LSU was just lacking?


because LSU fricking sucked at it and the lack of dietary restrictions and accountability was a huge thing that pissed tommy off. Tommy took the blame for this shite when honestly it was ED and his stupid policies.

i dont want to get into it to much but TM gets hate for shite he didnt have control over and BK is going to make huge changes on the nutrition side. the guy he brought in is not just a RD and a phd he is also a lifter himself that has a CSCS.

I dont always agree with the conditioning side of things with TM nor using the olympic lifts so much for triple ext but he was really good at teaching them. People blaming the methods are dumb as hell. If you want to say the message got old...fine, but it wasnt teh methods



Flint will use a VBT system just like TM did. But i expect our guys to be in much better shape from better nutrition. I also expect a much more new school approach to conditioning that should help a lot in the injury department.


hoping Jay Johnson gets to make his own S&C hire and goes the path of more science driven too.
Posted by Naptime
Member since Sep 2020
2227 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 2:56 pm to
What makes you think THINK LSU doesn’t use science driven methods? They use and collect all kinds of data. Now whether the head coach uses it is another thing. LSU is very modern in their S&C regardless of what you or other people think
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36539 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:10 pm to
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What makes you think THINK LSU doesn’t use science driven methods? They use and collect all kinds of data. Now whether the head coach uses it is another thing. LSU is very modern in their S&C regardless of what you or other people think


wait who said they didnt? they very very much do on the strength side....but tommy is very old school on conditioning....see his end of summer conditioning test. the twenty 110's test.

I know lsu has been very modern in their S&C program. See my comments about hardly anything changing on that side programming wise.

but its been very clear that TM was not data driven when it came to conditioning or atleast he didnt practice it. he has mentioned on podcast in the past that he knew the 110 test wasnt the best from an energy system approach but he felt it brought out toughness and wasnt going to change.

but Jack and Dr Rhea from bama are very much on the cutting edge science wise and keeping Jack was a big thing.
Posted by Naptime
Member since Sep 2020
2227 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:24 pm to
Just because he still used the 110’s doesn’t mean he wasn’t data driven. Also the nutritionist wasn’t the problem. What’s the old saying “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink”. Nutritionist and S/C can’t stop them from going to Fat Boys Pizza and eating at midnight
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36539 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:33 pm to
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Just because he still used the 110’s doesn’t mean he wasn’t data driven.


thats what i just said!!!! do you have reading comp problems!!!

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Also the nutritionist wasn’t the problem


didnt say it was i said the dietary restrictions where

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What’s the old saying “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink”. Nutritionist and S/C can’t stop them from going to Fat Boys Pizza and eating at midnight



THATS WHAT I SAID LIKE 5 TIMES IN THIS THREAD!!!

i know all of this. I have said it a million times over the last 6 weeks. everyone blames TM when honestly had nothing to do with him. I also said 100 times that TM was at the top still in programming methods and not much would change on that.

also just said that TM know the 110s wasnt the best for energy system training from a science perspective but felt they were good for mental toughness. he has made that clear in the past.

i specifically said that ED O was not holding people accountable when it came to Nutrition and S&C and had gone back to tons and tons of hitting in practice this year and overall had a shitty culture of personal accountability

trust me we are on the same page...but you kind of need to work on reading comp skills lol :cheers:


now many of the other idiots on here....they dont even know what Velocity based training is, yet they know Moffit was the issue and has been passed by and dead weight for a decade now. they know everything :cheers: :cheers:
Posted by Naptime
Member since Sep 2020
2227 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:49 pm to
Your last sentence in a previous post said you wish baseball would go more to science driven. Baseball, football and ALL sports at LSU uses it. And I’m not responding just to you so don’t take it that way. This board just wants everyone fired when they actually have no clue about anything. They all think the grass is always greener
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36539 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:59 pm to
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Your last sentence in a previous post said you wish baseball would go more to science driven.


i meant in general. baseball under paul wasnt that data driven. hoping they more and more that away under JJ. Would love to see Zach Dechant come on staff and go more the driveline approach to pitch design etc.

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This board just wants everyone fired when they actually have no clue about anything. They all think the grass is always greener


thats because most people on here are ignorant to what a S&C coach actually does. They have zero clue but they see injuries and automatically assume its the S&C coaches fault when it was O who ramped up the amount of hitting going on.

they see fat out of shape lineman and assume its the S&C coaches fault...when they were recruited that away and the culture doesnt hold them accountable. it sucks

that why i said yesterday...TM needs to weight room dedicated to him and named after him. Period, end of discussion.

i really hope TM goes the way of Aaron Ausmus and starts putting out programming. i would buy the hell out of it as would the rest of the H&F board. people that know what TM is about know....the rest are just ignorant and think every problem was on him.


FTR he should have stopped running 110s. will take that to the grave with me. just like baseball players should stop running poles
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107465 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 4:04 pm to
Wait till Moffit gets a hold of you baw.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3495 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 4:16 pm to
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TM gets hate for shite he didnt have control over...


New coach wants a new S&C staff... fine, I have no problem with it..

However, many of the fans here need to have this quote engraved on their eyeballs...
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