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Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:53 am to Vood
Sleeping giant TAMU
Only thing FSU has over TAMU is old records. If you take FSU's 6 years pre Jimbo and Sumlin's 6 years at TAMU, you get
TAMU 51-26
FSU 47-30
TAMU has the Texas recruiting base, Louisiana right beside it, and he still has ties to Florida. Money out the a-hole and people willing to spend that money for better coaches and shadow staff. The facilities are top 5, maybe even top 3, in the country.
It's easy to see that Jimbo needed a change of scenery. FSU had gotten toxic. I think financial security kept him there, but TAMU having an opening was perfect timing.
Nobody should expect year one results, hell even year two for that matter. He needs to establish a culture, get his offense installed, and get the guys who can run it.
Only thing FSU has over TAMU is old records. If you take FSU's 6 years pre Jimbo and Sumlin's 6 years at TAMU, you get
TAMU 51-26
FSU 47-30
TAMU has the Texas recruiting base, Louisiana right beside it, and he still has ties to Florida. Money out the a-hole and people willing to spend that money for better coaches and shadow staff. The facilities are top 5, maybe even top 3, in the country.
It's easy to see that Jimbo needed a change of scenery. FSU had gotten toxic. I think financial security kept him there, but TAMU having an opening was perfect timing.
Nobody should expect year one results, hell even year two for that matter. He needs to establish a culture, get his offense installed, and get the guys who can run it.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:55 am to Datbayoubengal
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Only thing FSU has over TAMU is old records. If you take FSU's 6 years pre Jimbo and Sumlin's 6 years at TAMU, you get
Never go full retard
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:55 am to Sevendust912
quote:O was here this year
LSU shouldn't be in this tier as long as the O is around.
LSU, AU, and Bama all went 1-1 with each other
the three teams went 6-2, 7-1,7-1
LSU with O, was still in their tier for the SEC west.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 11:56 am
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:55 am to Tiger Tracker
Do you really think that concern should deter a school from bringing in a top tier coach?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:57 am to Datbayoubengal
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Nobody should expect year one results, hell even year two for that matter.
Per the contract that leaked that's 15 mil for what would be the status quo.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 12:01 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Do you really think that concern should deter a school from bringing in a top tier coach?
Do i have to say this again? I am not saying they should hire sub par coaches or not hire jimbo. I simply said that there's risks associated with this level of payment, and they should be considered. I honestly don't think jimbo will bring A&M to a bama type level yet he gets Saban type money. Overpaying and underdelivering is a risky game to consistently play when hiring coaches.
Yet, i have people trying to tell me there's no risk to paying that type of money and Jimbo underdelivering. That's simply not true.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 12:41 pm to Tiger Tracker
Jimbo isn't getting Saban money, Saban still makes a lot more. He's getting Top 5 coaching money which is more than fair considering he is one of the 4 active coaches with a ring. He's also still in his prime age wise, has a reputation of rebuilding a program, is a stud recruiter who has assistants that are stud recruiters, and is a cultural fit with A&M in terms of his personality.
It's also not that big of a risk, more importantly it is a smart risk. A&M's AD brought in $194 million last year and is set to bring in a hell of a lot more if they can win big. I can't even fathom how much cash would flow into the program if they won an SEC or NC because of the size size, wealth, and rabid nature of the fan base. How would it make sense for instance to hire a "good coach" like a Fuentes for instance for say, $5 million (if you could get him for that) vs a far more proven coach in Fisher for $7.5? Short term you just put a HUGE injection of excitement in the program and proved to your donors you are serious about winning so people will keep writing those big checks and the priority of keeping season tickets just went up. If it results in a 10% bump in revenue that's nearly $20 million right there. The bigger risk by far is the program loses momentum and goes the other direction. You have to spend money to make it.
The other reality is that a proven winner is a very rare commodity. You have to overpay somewhat for one just as Bama did with Saban and continues to do so. Ever since A&M decided to make the SEC move they have essentially modeled Bama in terms of what they needed to do to succeed. Build the stadium. Build the facilities. Spend time and money on creating the right atmosphere. Oh, and spend whatever you have to to get the best coach you can. A&M has not had the results yet but it damn sure isn't from lack of effort.
It's also a falsehood to say "A&M has always had money". We really haven't. A&M was a school that had to play buyout games with LSU at one point as we still were a small, primarily male and primarily military school up until really 1970 or so. Then they started to build wealth during the 80's as the larger classes started to come in and give money. That kept building but A&M still was behind the big boys. The SEC has changed everything though. A&M has taken that slow and steady growth and put the rocket fuel of being the only SEC school in Texas on it and now it is a ridiculous cash machine.
Money is kind of like recruiting. It doesn't guarantee victory but it damn sure helps. You can win without money or recruiting but it's a damn sight harder, especially to do so consistently.
It's also not that big of a risk, more importantly it is a smart risk. A&M's AD brought in $194 million last year and is set to bring in a hell of a lot more if they can win big. I can't even fathom how much cash would flow into the program if they won an SEC or NC because of the size size, wealth, and rabid nature of the fan base. How would it make sense for instance to hire a "good coach" like a Fuentes for instance for say, $5 million (if you could get him for that) vs a far more proven coach in Fisher for $7.5? Short term you just put a HUGE injection of excitement in the program and proved to your donors you are serious about winning so people will keep writing those big checks and the priority of keeping season tickets just went up. If it results in a 10% bump in revenue that's nearly $20 million right there. The bigger risk by far is the program loses momentum and goes the other direction. You have to spend money to make it.
The other reality is that a proven winner is a very rare commodity. You have to overpay somewhat for one just as Bama did with Saban and continues to do so. Ever since A&M decided to make the SEC move they have essentially modeled Bama in terms of what they needed to do to succeed. Build the stadium. Build the facilities. Spend time and money on creating the right atmosphere. Oh, and spend whatever you have to to get the best coach you can. A&M has not had the results yet but it damn sure isn't from lack of effort.
It's also a falsehood to say "A&M has always had money". We really haven't. A&M was a school that had to play buyout games with LSU at one point as we still were a small, primarily male and primarily military school up until really 1970 or so. Then they started to build wealth during the 80's as the larger classes started to come in and give money. That kept building but A&M still was behind the big boys. The SEC has changed everything though. A&M has taken that slow and steady growth and put the rocket fuel of being the only SEC school in Texas on it and now it is a ridiculous cash machine.
Money is kind of like recruiting. It doesn't guarantee victory but it damn sure helps. You can win without money or recruiting but it's a damn sight harder, especially to do so consistently.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 12:47 pm to OneMoreTime
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I cannot think of any reason why Jimbo would think A&M is a better job other than money
money and a change of scenery
Easier Recruiting now....He has Texas in state to only really compete with and LSU on few recruits...Where as he had Florida and Miami which both are tough to recruit against in years past
Posted on 12/1/17 at 12:49 pm to Vood
Right now? Absolutely. SEC money. Basically endless alumni support. Fantastic facilities. FSU is mainly just tradition at this point.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 12:51 pm to Vood
It kills some of y’all.
And it makes me grin hugely.
Thank you.
And it makes me grin hugely.
Thank you.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 1:26 pm to Vood
fisher has been unhappy at FSU for awhile. it was the only reason he looked at going to LSU. he didn't leave and tried to make it work, esp considering this family situation. he finally broke and realized that if he didn't take the 7 mil this year another opportunity might never arise.
TIMING is everything in getting your coach.
TIMING is everything in getting your coach.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:52 pm to Vood
FSU: 20 miles to the GOM
A&M: Surrounded by hundreds of square miles of butt-ugly Texas scrub land.
A&M: Surrounded by hundreds of square miles of butt-ugly Texas scrub land.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:12 pm to Vood
I love my current job, city, community and life. But if I was offered a "substantial" pay raise ... I'd resign today. Probably leave everything on my desk including family pictures. I have duplicates.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 6:51 pm to jcole4lsu
I will throw out the name Dennis Francione. Looked like he had turned Bama around and then went to A&M. Relegated to obscurity.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 6:53 pm to Vood
No doubt. A&M is a great job. College station is a nice little town with good people
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:03 pm to Stephen1979
Are there former Gator WR personal trainers in College Station? If not, then A&M is the better job for Jimbo.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:31 pm to LSU GrandDad
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he didn't leave and tried to make it work, esp considering this family situation. he finally broke and realized that if he didn't take the 7 mil this year another opportunity might never arise.
I think having the Houston medical complex nearby really helped us too.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 8:48 pm to Hugh McElroy
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7 is a wash.
No it's not.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 8:55 pm to Vood
No, but they offered him a lot more money.
Money > prestige
Money > prestige
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