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re: Is Texas A&M really a better job than FSU?

Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:36 am to
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22243 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:36 am to
I've always heard that A&M is a sleeping giant but I don't buy it. Its a solid program that should be doing a little better than they are but it's not pre-Saban LSU like some people make it out to be.

On the other hand, FSU is a solid job but if you buy the rumors, they don't have the commitment or resources other elite jobs have. Florida has a ton of talent but there's a lot more competition for that talent now as compared to when Bowden was there.

They are both really good jobs though so ultimately what I pointed out is nitpicking a bit.

A&M has proven in the past that it can get a coach from any program it wants. I admire the Aggies' ability to work target a coach and make the moves behind the scenes to acquire him.

Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23320 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:37 am to
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Time will tell if it's really the "sleeping giant" that folks keep making it out to be. I just don't see it tbh.



Interesting. Reading between the lines I think you meant...

I just don't want to even imagine this working. It would be a living breathing nightmare. Please dear god, make this fall through somehow.

It's all going to be okay. Take a deep breath.
Posted by Skeezer
Member since Apr 2017
2296 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:39 am to
Yes. Not even close.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
87936 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:39 am to
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He will recruit and field better teams than was there previously.


possible, very possible

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Too bad we have a cheap arse AD could have had a superstar tandem in Jimbo and Aranda.


well duh


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Texas A&M will be very successfull with him there.




doubtful they win anymore hardware than they did with sumlin and jimbo has a stacked resume compared to sumlin. IOW it ain't jimbo it is TAMU that is the problem
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
87936 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:41 am to
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Yes. Not even close.




Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36227 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:46 am to
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Yes. Not even close.

I don't think anyone actually believes this.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38963 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:47 am to
No, but 10 years 75 mill is better than whatever FSU gives him.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:52 am to
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Fans complaining about over paying Jimbo are just ignorant to market economics


Sure there is supply and demand, but there is also risk to reward. With every dollar of buyout $ and every year guaranteed on his contract the risk goes up exponentially when compared to the reward. Any person who only considers supply and demand without risk vs reward is foolish. That's the point that's being made. They hired, what i believe, to be a very good coach. However, he is barely gonna finish at .500 this season. Could it be a one off? Yes, but you're paying the guy like he's won multiple national titles at multiple schools. It's very risky, but could pay off if he can replicate it somewhere else.

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Jimbo turned FSU around and won a NC.


Explain how the program won multiple national titles and conference championships before he got there, but he "turned it around".

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They need their own version of Saban to kick start the program - exactly how he did for LSU. 


Sure but Jimbo is not Saban or Meyer yet he is getting paid like it. Whatever. It's not my school or money. I really wanted jimbo last year but i would have been upset if we paid what A&M paid for a guy coming off a down season who is playing runner up to Clemson in his conference now. He will do well at A&M i just doubt he lives up to his paycheck.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31739 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:00 am to
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Sure there is supply and demand, but there is also risk to reward.

what risk?
if it doesnt work out, they fire him and hire a new coach. they have the money.

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Explain how the program won multiple national titles and conference championships before he got there, but he "turned it around"

they were 7-6 in 3 of the 4 years before Jimbo took over. they were mediocre as frick.

Posted by BenDover
Member since Jul 2010
5547 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:06 am to
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Let see what factors make for a better job:

1. short term history of success (0-10 year past)
2. medium term history of success (10-30 years past)
3. long term history of success (30-100 years past)
4. alumni base
5. TV exposure
6. financial resources
7. recruiting base

FSU is clearly superior superior is regards to 1 and 2.
A&M is clearly superior in regards to 4 and 6.
A&M is slightly better in regards to 3 and 5.
7 is a wash.


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A&M is slightly better in regards to 3 and 5.


Are you serious? FSU went 14 straight years finishing in the top 5. Aside from your bullshite NC claim, has aTm EVER finished top 5 in a single season?
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45082 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:24 am to
This is like asking whether Arkansas is a better job than LSU. Come on, brah
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293632 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:27 am to
Hell no. They just betted their future on jimbo.

FSU bwasnt going to pay that much for a guy who just had a disasterous season
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9094 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:30 am to
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Hell no. They just betted their future on jimbo.

FSU bwasnt going to pay that much for a guy who just had a disasterous season


program vs job rank
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15731 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:30 am to
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Fans complaining about over paying Jimbo are just ignorant to market economics. There are more programs that want to win a NC than there are coaches that can build the program to do it. Thus, the prices for their services skyrocket. Jimbo turned FSU around and won a NC.


You are smoking crack if you think the other top schools in the SEC west : Al,auburn, and LSU are just gonna concede the SEC west. Jimbo ain't coming into a ACC filled league of pushovers. Sure this may put A&M above: Ark, MSU, and ole miss but i can tell you it wont be easy beating the top three in the SEC west even with jimbo.
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9094 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:31 am to
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Are you serious? FSU went 14 straight years finishing in the top 5. Aside from your bull shite NC claim, has aTm EVER finished top 5 in a single season?



program vs job rank
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
19334 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:32 am to
What part of "30-100 years past" is hard for you to grasp?
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:39 am to
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what risk?
if it doesnt work out, they fire him and hire a new coach. they have the money.


Well you kinda answered your own question but let me expuound upon it: if they hire him for all this money it means a few things: 1) other top coaches who coach there will be expecting that type of salary. 2) if they fire him and pay all that money out it could negatively impact donations, booster money, perception of program by other top coaches, etc.

Another top level coach could say "well if Jimbo got fired there why would i leave to go there for all that stress if he couldn't even fix it?"

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they were 7-6 in 3 of the 4 years before Jimbo took over. they were mediocre as frick.


I guess you could say they needed a regime change, but a multi championship/conference title winning school getting a regime change to revitalize it is a little easier than what he's about to take on. Everything will be much more difficult to accomplish at A&M. Recruiting, conference wins, NCs, etc.

If you think hiring a guy like jimbo, paying that amount of money, and then firing him will have zero impact to the program or school, i disagree. What happens if he still gets beat by LSU who has Ed Orgeron . I think there's more risk than you and others are comsidering here.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62984 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:42 am to
So you think paying a lot for a very good coach is not worth it because you might not be able to attract another very good coach if you fire him? Am I following this correctly?
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
11478 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:50 am to
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You are smoking crack if you think the other top schools in the SEC west : Al,auburn, and LSU are just gonna concede the SEC west


LSU shouldn't be in this tier as long as the O is around.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:51 am to
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So you think paying a lot for a very good coach is not worth it because you might not be able to attract another very good coach if you fire him? Am I following this correctly?


I am saying if you bring in a top tier coach and they can't fix your program at what point do other coaches just want to steer clear of it?
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