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re: I'm pro-Riley, but a lot of coaches could do what he has done at Oklahoma
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:30 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:30 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Why are yall so retarded? You're also not "pro Riley" with this BS.
He was brought there in the first place because Oklahoma had sucked on offense for consecutive years. Their QB play was abysmal. Immediately after he gets there, he coaches a transfer to put up the best QB rating since Sam Bradford's heisman year (the last time they went to the national championship). Mayfield was the best QB they had since Bradford in 2008 and had the most TD passes since Bradford in 2008. HE, Riley, was the reason why that team was good again. They were 8-5 before he got there. He incorporated a power run game to his air raid offense and it took off.
Also the funny thing about what you and others are saying is that you think LSU is a team, a program, that needs a program builder. You may not think you are saying that, but that's exactly what you are doing. LSU needs a guy to run a powerful offense and to utilize all this in state talent.
He was brought there in the first place because Oklahoma had sucked on offense for consecutive years. Their QB play was abysmal. Immediately after he gets there, he coaches a transfer to put up the best QB rating since Sam Bradford's heisman year (the last time they went to the national championship). Mayfield was the best QB they had since Bradford in 2008 and had the most TD passes since Bradford in 2008. HE, Riley, was the reason why that team was good again. They were 8-5 before he got there. He incorporated a power run game to his air raid offense and it took off.
Also the funny thing about what you and others are saying is that you think LSU is a team, a program, that needs a program builder. You may not think you are saying that, but that's exactly what you are doing. LSU needs a guy to run a powerful offense and to utilize all this in state talent.
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:32 pm to Alt26
quote:Thank you for that sir.
Alt26
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:35 pm to Datbayoubengal
quote:
You're also not "pro Riley" with this BS.
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Maybe frick you.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:38 pm to Datbayoubengal
What kind of bullshite is this that we aren't supposed to critique the record of a dude that may be set to be the highest paid coach in college football?
We should be scrutinizing the shite out of him.
As I said, I like him and I hope he's the next LSU coach. But he's a gamble like any other coaching prospect.
We should be scrutinizing the shite out of him.
As I said, I like him and I hope he's the next LSU coach. But he's a gamble like any other coaching prospect.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:40 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I think part of what this shows is that successful coaches come from different places. If OU had limited itself only to coaches who were G5 head coaches who’d built a program they’d have missed out on Riley. Of course they had a close-up of him in his role as Stoop’s OC. So likely they had signs of what he could be. Just an observation…
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:44 pm to LSUChamps03
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think part of what this shows is that successful coaches come from different places
Exactly. There is no successful formula. These people have to be evaluated and critiqued as individuals, not lumped together into bins of G5 coaches, coordinators, P5 coaches, etc.
Elite P5 coordinators have a high success rate. Are we supposed to believe that when those same people go take a G5 head coaching job or a lower P5 job, that they are then LESS qualified than when they were a coordinator?
If Kendall Briles, who I would take as our coach right now TBH, took a job at Memphis or somewhere. In a year, are people going to say he doesn't have enough head coaching experience?
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:49 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:but I bet you love Aranda who has not coached 2 full years and has a 9 point win vs Texas St, and a loss vs TCU? That can damn near be classified as the Ohio St win season you mentioned. Are we to believe that Aranda is another Lincoln Riley that we should not be high on based on your qualifications of what it takes to be a great pickup for LSU?
RidiculousHype
How about Napier who has struggled in damn near every game vs teams with losing records? He has "statistically" the most talent in his conference, so are we also to assume he should not be high on the list as well???
This nonsense that LSU fans are jumping on Riley about is hilarious considering the guys who they are putting ahead of him. I like Aranda, but over Riley? Hell nah. If that game is played 10 times, Oklahoma beats Baylor the other nine. Caleb Williams' off game vs his first true test after Texas as a true freshman didn't go as planned, that's it.
Bottom line, if you're going to complain against Riley over some simple BS like losing a game or two in a season, then it makes no sense to bring up Aranda. If you're going to complain about struggling vs lesser teams, then don't bring up Napier, who is the king of that right now. This is talking to people in general, not just you specifically. Aranda and Napier guys don't have a finger to point at the Riley pick.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:52 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
we just gonna ignore his accomplishments as an OC? OU had gotten pretty stale before he came in
the man is an elite offensive coach the numbers say it, there's no argument to be made there. So you're really over simplifying it brining it down to straight up wins and losses
the man is an elite offensive coach the numbers say it, there's no argument to be made there. So you're really over simplifying it brining it down to straight up wins and losses
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:57 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Lots of coaches could have back to back Heisman trophy QBs and a third invited to the awards show?
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:This is not what you said. The main premise of your post was that a lot of coaches could do what he has done.
But he's a gamble like any other coaching prospect.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:This is what it looks like when you only see the surface level. Riley's teams have put 28+ points on what could be considered the top half of the SEC, and Tennessee.
The problem with "offensive innovators" is eventually defenses catch up.
Rileys' teams are soft. Not just soft, super soft. He has one of the most talented teams in the country, and they are a finesse team. I don't think he can win a slugfest vs a good good team.
Riley is 1-3 in bowl games with the only win vs Auburn, last season. His apex in the B12 is 2 losses a year, what will it be in the SEC?
Maybe he can evolve. But I don't think you want to pay 12m for a chance that a guy will improve.
28 vs LSU
31 vs Tennessee
34 vs Bama
35 vs Auburn
48 vs UGA
55 vs UF
That was with Riley's "finesse" teams. Think of what he could do with Louisiana talent. Riley has sent multiple RBs to the NFL who have done okay. In 2018 Riley was 13 yards away from having 3 players rush for at least 1000 yards in the same season. From 2015-2019 Oklahoma was in the top 20 rushing 3 times and top 27 rushing the other 2 times.
Evolving? He literally went from running air raid to a wide open attack that utilizes a heavy power run game. You know how he'll evolve at LSU? He'll get Louisiana recruits hire a great DC and run circles around the SEC. They say the guy loves recruiting and the reason why Oklahoma is where it's at is because of his recruiting prowess.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:This, and it's harder for offenses to stay ahead of defenses than for defenses to catch up. That's why dynasties are usually built on solid defensive minds and tend to have more of a revolving door for offensive flavors of the day. Sean Payton is great and will always win a lot of games but how far the team goes depends more on how well the defense is playing. I've said before I believe Venables has more to do with Dabo's success than Dabo.
The problem with "offensive innovators" is eventually defenses catch up.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:13 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
quote:
This is not what you said. The main premise of your post was that a lot of coaches could do what he has done.
Threads evolve. I never changed what I originally said.
I believe there are 20+ coaches in the country that would have as good or better of a record as Lincoln Riley in the same time period, if thrust into the exact same situation.
Most coaches are put into very difficult rebuilding jobs, or outright shite-shows.
Very few inherit elite programs already on top. Could Riley build a program? Possibly yes. But we don't know that.
Could he do what Matt Campbell has done? Campbell is 2-3 head-to-head with Riley, with a fraction of the resources.
Riley has more resources and talent than almost any team he plays.
Could Riley win at Baylor?
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:17 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Looks to me like OU is the absolute King of the 2 loss seasons
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:42 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
What kind of bullshite is this that we aren't supposed to critique the record of a dude that may be set to be the highest paid coach in college football?
Hell if his agent is just playing us all like a fiddle for a raise, I guarantee OU fans will continue to critique afterwords.
Personally, I'm not interested in doing the OSU/Mike Gundy thing where the coach goes out and lifts his skirt every 3/4 years and gets a raise. frick that. I'm sure we can find somebody who is a decent enough coach and tells his agent that their job is done until the next contract extension - don't call him otherwise.
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:43 pm to Datbayoubengal
quote:
Why are yall so retarded? You're also not "pro Riley" with this BS.
Exactly what I thought as well.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:53 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Datbayoubengal
My post was comparing Riley's accomplishments to his reputation on this board. He's accomplished plenty and he'd be a very good hire for LSU.
But reading this board I get the sense that people are overlooking the weaker points in his resume.
You're right about Napier and Aranda not being perfect candidates either - but I think the board as a whole is more realistic about those two.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Riley didn't win the Heisman any more than Orgeron won the Heisman.
You are such a fricking dipshit
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:58 pm to beauchristopher
Are you so weak that you can't tolerate a bit of criticism of "your guy?"
To the extreme that anyone who doesn't love him, must hate him?
If I had my choice of current college coaches, I would probably pick Saban, but due to his age I would have some reservations.
My second choice would be Riley. But I am still able to admit that he has question marks.
To the extreme that anyone who doesn't love him, must hate him?
If I had my choice of current college coaches, I would probably pick Saban, but due to his age I would have some reservations.
My second choice would be Riley. But I am still able to admit that he has question marks.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:00 pm to turnpiketiger
Crediting a coach for individual player awards is bullshite.
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